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Life is life when we all feel the power
Life is life come on, stand up and dance
Life is life when the feeling of the people
Life is life is the feeling of the band
Life is life when we all feel the power
Life is life come on, stand up and dance
Life is life when the feeling of the people
Life is life is the feeling of the band
What a world we live in
Judge Rules That U.S. Has Broad Powers to Detain Noncitizens
Indefinitely
By NINA BERNSTEIN
A federal judge in Brooklyn ruled yesterday that the government has
wide latitude under immigration law to detain noncitizens on the basis
of religion, race or national origin, and to hold them indefinitely
without explanation.
The ruling came in a class-action lawsuit by Muslim immigrants detained
after 9/11, and it dismissed several key claims the detainees had made
against the government. But the judge, John Gleeson of United States
District Court for the Eastern District of New York, allowed the
lawsuit to continue on other claims, mostly that the conditions of
confinement were abusive and unconstitutional. Judge Gleeson's decision
requires top federal officials, including former Attorney General John
Ashcroft and Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, to answer to
those accusations under oath.
This is the first time a federal judge has addressed the issue of
discrimination in the treatment of hundreds of Muslim immigrants who
were swept up in the weeks after the 2001 terror attacks and held for
months before they were cleared of links to terrorism and deported. The
roundups drew intense criticism, not only from immigrant rights
advocates, but also from the inspector general of the Justice
Department, who issued reports saying that the government had made
little or no effort to distinguish between genuine suspects and Muslim
immigrants with minor visa violations.
Lawyers in the suit, who vowed to appeal yesterday's decision, said
parts of the ruling could potentially be used far more broadly, to
detain any noncitizen in the United States for any reason.
"This decision is a green light to racial profiling and prolonged
detention of noncitizens at the whim of the president," said Rachel
Meeropol, a lawyer for the Center for Constitutional Rights, which
represented the detainees. "The decision is profoundly disturbing
because it legitimizes the fact that the Bush administration rounded up
and imprisoned our clients because of their religion and race."
A spokesman for the government, Charles S. Miller, would not respond to
those assertions, saying only that the Justice Department was "very
pleased that the court upheld the decision to detain plaintiffs, all of
whom were illegal aliens, until national security investigations were
completed and plaintiffs were removed from the country." He said the
government was reviewing the rest of the opinion to decide whether to
appeal the rulings Judge Gleeson made to allow the plaintiffs' other
claims to proceed.
In his 99-page ruling, Judge Gleeson rejected the government's argument
that the events of Sept. 11 justified extraordinary measures to confine
noncitizens who fell under suspicion, or that the attacks heightened
top officials' need for government immunity to combat future threats to
national security without fear of being sued.
But his interpretation of immigration law gave the government broad
discretion to enforce the law selectively against noncitizens of a
particular religion, race or national origin, and to detain them
indefinitely, for any unspecified reason, after an immigration judge
had ordered them removed from the country.
"The executive is free to single out 'nationals of a particular
country' and focus enforcement efforts on them," the judge wrote. "This
is, of course, an extraordinarily rough and overbroad sort of
distinction of which, if applied to citizens, our courts would be
highly suspicious."
Yet, he continued, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that Congress
and the executive branch, in exercising their broad power over
naturalization and immigration, can make rules that would be
unacceptable if applied to American citizens.
In the judge's view, the government has the right to detain people
indefinitely as long as their eventual removal is "reasonably
foreseeable." If that interpretation stands, it could apply to millions
of noncitizens, including tourists removable for visa violations, said
Gerald L. Neuman, a law professor at Columbia who is an expert in human
rights law and was not involved in the case.
"It doesn't seem to limit the motives the government has to have in
being slow in removing them; it could even be just basic neglect," he
said.
But Professor Neuman cautioned that "it's only a district judge's
decision."
"The decision encourages the government to behave this way without fear
of financial liability," he said, but it does not carry the weight of a
ruling by an appellate court. "This interpretation is attackable even
among other judges in Brooklyn, let alone Lower Manhattan."
But David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University and a
co-counsel in the lawsuit, said the ruling was the only one of its kind
and made New York "an equal protection-free zone" because the
government can detain immigrants wherever it chooses.
"What this decision says is the next time there is a terror attack, the
government is free to round up every Muslim immigrant in the U.S.,
based solely on their ethnic and religious identity, and hold them on
immigration pretexts for as long as it desires," he said. "We saw after
9/11 what the government did in an era of uncertainty about how far it
can go. Judge Gleeson has essentially given them a green light to go
much further."
The class-action lawsuit, Turkmen v. Ashcroft, is the first and largest
of several brought by immigrants held after 9/11. The named plaintiffs
in the case include former detainees who came back to the United States
this year for depositions and were required to be in the custody of
federal marshals at all times. Among them were Hany Ibrahim, a deli
worker, and his brother, Yasser, a Web designer, Egyptian Muslims who
said then that putting themselves back in the hands of the government
they were suing was an act of faith in America.
Yesterday, Yasser Ibrahim, who had lived in New York for three or four
years on an expired tourist visa and was delivered in shackles to the
Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn soon after Sept. 11, said
through his lawyers that he was shocked and very disappointed by the
judge's decision.
"I can't believe the court would allow this to happen," he said." I am
frightened for other Muslims in the United States, who could face the
same discrimination and abuse that I suffered."
Indefinitely
By NINA BERNSTEIN
A federal judge in Brooklyn ruled yesterday that the government has
wide latitude under immigration law to detain noncitizens on the basis
of religion, race or national origin, and to hold them indefinitely
without explanation.
The ruling came in a class-action lawsuit by Muslim immigrants detained
after 9/11, and it dismissed several key claims the detainees had made
against the government. But the judge, John Gleeson of United States
District Court for the Eastern District of New York, allowed the
lawsuit to continue on other claims, mostly that the conditions of
confinement were abusive and unconstitutional. Judge Gleeson's decision
requires top federal officials, including former Attorney General John
Ashcroft and Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, to answer to
those accusations under oath.
This is the first time a federal judge has addressed the issue of
discrimination in the treatment of hundreds of Muslim immigrants who
were swept up in the weeks after the 2001 terror attacks and held for
months before they were cleared of links to terrorism and deported. The
roundups drew intense criticism, not only from immigrant rights
advocates, but also from the inspector general of the Justice
Department, who issued reports saying that the government had made
little or no effort to distinguish between genuine suspects and Muslim
immigrants with minor visa violations.
Lawyers in the suit, who vowed to appeal yesterday's decision, said
parts of the ruling could potentially be used far more broadly, to
detain any noncitizen in the United States for any reason.
"This decision is a green light to racial profiling and prolonged
detention of noncitizens at the whim of the president," said Rachel
Meeropol, a lawyer for the Center for Constitutional Rights, which
represented the detainees. "The decision is profoundly disturbing
because it legitimizes the fact that the Bush administration rounded up
and imprisoned our clients because of their religion and race."
A spokesman for the government, Charles S. Miller, would not respond to
those assertions, saying only that the Justice Department was "very
pleased that the court upheld the decision to detain plaintiffs, all of
whom were illegal aliens, until national security investigations were
completed and plaintiffs were removed from the country." He said the
government was reviewing the rest of the opinion to decide whether to
appeal the rulings Judge Gleeson made to allow the plaintiffs' other
claims to proceed.
In his 99-page ruling, Judge Gleeson rejected the government's argument
that the events of Sept. 11 justified extraordinary measures to confine
noncitizens who fell under suspicion, or that the attacks heightened
top officials' need for government immunity to combat future threats to
national security without fear of being sued.
But his interpretation of immigration law gave the government broad
discretion to enforce the law selectively against noncitizens of a
particular religion, race or national origin, and to detain them
indefinitely, for any unspecified reason, after an immigration judge
had ordered them removed from the country.
"The executive is free to single out 'nationals of a particular
country' and focus enforcement efforts on them," the judge wrote. "This
is, of course, an extraordinarily rough and overbroad sort of
distinction of which, if applied to citizens, our courts would be
highly suspicious."
Yet, he continued, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that Congress
and the executive branch, in exercising their broad power over
naturalization and immigration, can make rules that would be
unacceptable if applied to American citizens.
In the judge's view, the government has the right to detain people
indefinitely as long as their eventual removal is "reasonably
foreseeable." If that interpretation stands, it could apply to millions
of noncitizens, including tourists removable for visa violations, said
Gerald L. Neuman, a law professor at Columbia who is an expert in human
rights law and was not involved in the case.
"It doesn't seem to limit the motives the government has to have in
being slow in removing them; it could even be just basic neglect," he
said.
But Professor Neuman cautioned that "it's only a district judge's
decision."
"The decision encourages the government to behave this way without fear
of financial liability," he said, but it does not carry the weight of a
ruling by an appellate court. "This interpretation is attackable even
among other judges in Brooklyn, let alone Lower Manhattan."
But David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University and a
co-counsel in the lawsuit, said the ruling was the only one of its kind
and made New York "an equal protection-free zone" because the
government can detain immigrants wherever it chooses.
"What this decision says is the next time there is a terror attack, the
government is free to round up every Muslim immigrant in the U.S.,
based solely on their ethnic and religious identity, and hold them on
immigration pretexts for as long as it desires," he said. "We saw after
9/11 what the government did in an era of uncertainty about how far it
can go. Judge Gleeson has essentially given them a green light to go
much further."
The class-action lawsuit, Turkmen v. Ashcroft, is the first and largest
of several brought by immigrants held after 9/11. The named plaintiffs
in the case include former detainees who came back to the United States
this year for depositions and were required to be in the custody of
federal marshals at all times. Among them were Hany Ibrahim, a deli
worker, and his brother, Yasser, a Web designer, Egyptian Muslims who
said then that putting themselves back in the hands of the government
they were suing was an act of faith in America.
Yesterday, Yasser Ibrahim, who had lived in New York for three or four
years on an expired tourist visa and was delivered in shackles to the
Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn soon after Sept. 11, said
through his lawyers that he was shocked and very disappointed by the
judge's decision.
"I can't believe the court would allow this to happen," he said." I am
frightened for other Muslims in the United States, who could face the
same discrimination and abuse that I suffered."
RE: What a world we live in
Maybe they shouldn't break US law and they wouldn't be in this prediciment. How would I be treated if i broke the laws in other ountries?
RE: What a world we live in
I believe Joe was refering to the fact that only those who were in the country illegally were detained.
RE: What a world we live in
oops, i meant to sign as gkb.
Now I see the part about the illegal immigrants. Illegal ones should be detained since they are breaking the law but detaining anyone solely on the basis of race, religion, and things like that is just wrong!
Now I see the part about the illegal immigrants. Illegal ones should be detained since they are breaking the law but detaining anyone solely on the basis of race, religion, and things like that is just wrong!
RE: What a world we live in
what laws did they break joe?please list the crimes they committed,thanks joe for your assistance :-))
RE: What a world we live in
this is from the original post so i think joe was referring to the fact that they were illegal aliens, which is presumably a crime even in countries which do not like america -
A spokesman for the government, Charles S. Miller, would not respond to those assertions, saying only that the Justice Department was "very pleased that the court upheld the decision to detain plaintiffs, all of whom were illegal aliens, until national security investigations were completed and plaintiffs were removed from the country." He said the government was reviewing the rest of the opinion to decide whether to appeal the rulings Judge Gleeson made to allow the plaintiffs' other claims to proceed
A spokesman for the government, Charles S. Miller, would not respond to those assertions, saying only that the Justice Department was "very pleased that the court upheld the decision to detain plaintiffs, all of whom were illegal aliens, until national security investigations were completed and plaintiffs were removed from the country." He said the government was reviewing the rest of the opinion to decide whether to appeal the rulings Judge Gleeson made to allow the plaintiffs' other claims to proceed
RE: What a world we live in
The Constitution of the United States does not apply to those immigrants who are illegal and not members of the American citezenry, they are criminals who deserve to be deported in mass quantities..
RE: What a world we live in
you missed the real point of the argument those detainees are the ones at guantanamo, known killers and terrorists and what the judge basically said was tough it's a war
RE: What a world we live in
The Yanks and the British, (im British) made the situation worse by invading Iraq and sticking their noses in where they are not wanted, Notice they not so quick to get involved in African Countries, you se no finincial reward there long term..Bush and Blair collectively hve opened a hornets nest that none of them can control.. The yanks and the Brits are criminal too in what they have done, so, they will reap what they have sewn. I have travelled to many countries and more and more the people no longer like Yanks or Brits, Im lucky I have an Irish Passport...
RE: What a world we live in
Name me one country that doesn't have its issues with xenophobia, with citizens singling out a group of people unfairly and blaming them for some trouble or another.
And while you're at it, explain how fair it is to blame an entire country of people for something you see as a fault in the actions of their government.
And while you're at it, explain how fair it is to blame an entire country of people for something you see as a fault in the actions of their government.
RE: What a world we live in
as I remember correctly,
you voted the Rulers in.
you are as guilty as they.
As for me, I did NOT vote for King George
I think I would rather have a man who gets
a BJ in the oval office, then have a madman
with his finger on the button.
you voted the Rulers in.
you are as guilty as they.
As for me, I did NOT vote for King George
I think I would rather have a man who gets
a BJ in the oval office, then have a madman
with his finger on the button.
RE: What a world we live in
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1035759
Just because Bush was elected, it doesn't mean that he won by unanimous decision. And in the case of the 2000 election, it doesn't even mean that more Americans voted for him than his chief opponent.
And from a poll done just yesterday, more Americans than not believe that attacking Iraq was a mistake.
If you mean to argue that it was wrong to detain so many people for little more reason than they happened to be Arab or Muslim, that's fine, but to cast all Americans in the same mold and think them all of the same mind, puts you just as much in the wrong.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1035759
Just because Bush was elected, it doesn't mean that he won by unanimous decision. And in the case of the 2000 election, it doesn't even mean that more Americans voted for him than his chief opponent.
And from a poll done just yesterday, more Americans than not believe that attacking Iraq was a mistake.
If you mean to argue that it was wrong to detain so many people for little more reason than they happened to be Arab or Muslim, that's fine, but to cast all Americans in the same mold and think them all of the same mind, puts you just as much in the wrong.
RE: What a world we live in
thats the problem everywhere....GENERALISATIONS! treating everything in a group,country,race etc even including hosts & members here as ONE! everybody & everything should be treated on its merits & as everyone is an individual & therefore different in at least some ways we ALL will view things at least a little differently.VIVE LA DIFFERENCE & PEACE BROTHERS & SISTERS!!
RE: What a world we live in
The War on Terror is bogus. Go to this site. http://prisonplanet.com/
RE: What a world we live in
More proof of 9/11 coverup. Go to this site. http://www.911truth.org/
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
Sure. but as i said on here before i am a tart anyway. LOL
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
Yes there are guys who like that a lot.... Many of my friends do, but me..... to be honest no i see it as something that is not natural, but hey who am i?
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
of course why wouldn't I if I ask her too? I'll also kiss her after covering her lips with cum cause its the fair thing to do. Well at least kiss one girl here. :)
RE: (to gkb) question for guys/anal sex
Thank you for remembering my hot show ,trust me I lube up the old chocolate tunnel up real good before anyhting goes up there...
Fudge kisses,
C
Fudge kisses,
C
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
i would let her, turnabout is fairplay...gotta give to get sometimes
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
Yes I do engoy it. It sometimes can be better when I do it to myself, muchlike I imagine a woman knowing how she likes it better than a man.
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
No doubt there are alot of fudgepackers that happen to be members here.
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
lol I had a friend who said to his wife that she should do anal sex and her reply was similar to yours. The day you let me stick a dildo up your arse is the day I'll consider it.
RE: a question for guys who like anal sex
i'll pass on this question and wait patiently until you ask your next question for guys who don't like anal sex. :)
just sharing...
sorry to spoil the forum with negative comments, but i have ask your opinion.
...he came to me, to my vid, we chatted nice...
he came for the second time.. after i said i had a bf, he got damn mad as if i was married but swore in eternal love to him...
we really had a good chemistry together... but he took it too seriously i think.. he said i mean very much to him, he wants to have me as a gf (in real) and so on... jeezzz we didnt' know each other at all! and when i said that i'm not sure we are gonna have smth serious in real, he got angry, disappointed, whatever...
he started to treat me like a female only, not like a person.. there was nothing left from his "love" or smth he was talking about... he kept coming but started to ask me to show him my body and so on and after i was saying a no, he was losing his interest...
i know i can be of no interest for a guy whom i dont' like by some reasons.. but i liked him, he liked me too... but after all, he said i'm not interesting, narrow-minded and so on and that i get what i deserve.
i know there are ppl who just can't admit their failure...
was it my fault that he was too fast and asked too much after such a short period? did i deserve to be said those things? or i just became a victim of a common weak person who is not confident enough to get a no?
not that i'm gonna be upset over him, just curious why that happens... what lesson can i get from it...
thx all
...he came to me, to my vid, we chatted nice...
he came for the second time.. after i said i had a bf, he got damn mad as if i was married but swore in eternal love to him...
we really had a good chemistry together... but he took it too seriously i think.. he said i mean very much to him, he wants to have me as a gf (in real) and so on... jeezzz we didnt' know each other at all! and when i said that i'm not sure we are gonna have smth serious in real, he got angry, disappointed, whatever...
he started to treat me like a female only, not like a person.. there was nothing left from his "love" or smth he was talking about... he kept coming but started to ask me to show him my body and so on and after i was saying a no, he was losing his interest...
i know i can be of no interest for a guy whom i dont' like by some reasons.. but i liked him, he liked me too... but after all, he said i'm not interesting, narrow-minded and so on and that i get what i deserve.
i know there are ppl who just can't admit their failure...
was it my fault that he was too fast and asked too much after such a short period? did i deserve to be said those things? or i just became a victim of a common weak person who is not confident enough to get a no?
not that i'm gonna be upset over him, just curious why that happens... what lesson can i get from it...
thx all
RE: just sharing...
Maybe you should be less friendly initially. I am sure many guys on here confuse lust and love. Any female that shows an interest in them can build an idea that they have established a girlfriend. Sure it can happen but the reality is that they are still there for one purpose. Relationships build over time not a couple of private shows and a few tissues. Shame not everybody realises
RE: just sharing...
It depends a little bit...
It depends on what your intentions are.
1) He is RiGht when he is wanting a reall relationship, and you have no doubts about your boyfriend. In that way I think he can better see you as a 'sexy' woman ;-)
2) If you do have doubts, yes then he has been to quick ;-) He has to give you some time to make your relation to an end ;-))
It depends on what your intentions are.
1) He is RiGht when he is wanting a reall relationship, and you have no doubts about your boyfriend. In that way I think he can better see you as a 'sexy' woman ;-)
2) If you do have doubts, yes then he has been to quick ;-) He has to give you some time to make your relation to an end ;-))
RE: just sharing...
:( Triksy sorry to hear u had this experience.. But at least u can grow from it.. :) I know i know its a corny reply but its kinda true also. :)
You didn`t do anything wrong that i can see from what u typed here Triksy... Maybe all that guy was looking was to see if he could get u naked and told u all those things to see if he could get more from u...
I try that with u everytime i see u Triksy (HAHAHA) but i hope u know its only me messing about and having some fun with u.. Anyway u know how to shut me up Triksy.. Just slap my face.. Better yet slap my ass, and then be my mistress again:P hahaha :) :P
Well u know me well here (or at least i hope u do) Triksy after all we have known each other a hell of a long time, and u know what i think about u.. ;-) And i don`t care what anyone says about u cos i`ll always think the same about u...
That ur my sexy beautiful MISTRESS... hahahah :P
Don`t pay that guy no mind Triksy, he tried to get more than he could and didn`t succeed so don`t worry... Just smile and be happy like me
:D <------ big grin..
All my hugs and kisses to u Triksy...
You didn`t do anything wrong that i can see from what u typed here Triksy... Maybe all that guy was looking was to see if he could get u naked and told u all those things to see if he could get more from u...
I try that with u everytime i see u Triksy (HAHAHA) but i hope u know its only me messing about and having some fun with u.. Anyway u know how to shut me up Triksy.. Just slap my face.. Better yet slap my ass, and then be my mistress again:P hahaha :) :P
Well u know me well here (or at least i hope u do) Triksy after all we have known each other a hell of a long time, and u know what i think about u.. ;-) And i don`t care what anyone says about u cos i`ll always think the same about u...
That ur my sexy beautiful MISTRESS... hahahah :P
Don`t pay that guy no mind Triksy, he tried to get more than he could and didn`t succeed so don`t worry... Just smile and be happy like me
:D <------ big grin..
All my hugs and kisses to u Triksy...
RE: just sharing...
let me get this straight...
in the span of a couple visits, he lays on the charm and worms his way into your liking, and then, after he's convinced himself that he 'loves' you, he promptly pressures you for an exclusive relationship in the real world? you're honest with him and tell him that you're already involved, to which he responds by behaving like a petulant, 12-year-old spoiled brat who turns the table by objectifying you physically, calling you names, and lobbing veiled threats your way?
wow, i have no idea how anyone could consider even for a second that you're at fault or that you deserved to be treated in such a way.
if you're looking to take away a life lesson, i'd say let it be that sometimes people you meet are only interested in things that benefit themselves, and that when things don't go their way, they're apt to behave terribly.
in the span of a couple visits, he lays on the charm and worms his way into your liking, and then, after he's convinced himself that he 'loves' you, he promptly pressures you for an exclusive relationship in the real world? you're honest with him and tell him that you're already involved, to which he responds by behaving like a petulant, 12-year-old spoiled brat who turns the table by objectifying you physically, calling you names, and lobbing veiled threats your way?
wow, i have no idea how anyone could consider even for a second that you're at fault or that you deserved to be treated in such a way.
if you're looking to take away a life lesson, i'd say let it be that sometimes people you meet are only interested in things that benefit themselves, and that when things don't go their way, they're apt to behave terribly.
RE: just sharing...
come on tinkxsy, half to people here are emotionaly unstable. You just ran into another one of them
RE: just sharing...
Only half? I would have said 'most'.
Masha don't worry about it, he's the one with a problem. And I'm surprised at you letting it bother you!!! Put it down to experience and forget it. You have a 'real' life that is so good, don't muddy waters with CC members, especially not ones who are so gushing from the word 'go'. Like me, lol.
Masha don't worry about it, he's the one with a problem. And I'm surprised at you letting it bother you!!! Put it down to experience and forget it. You have a 'real' life that is so good, don't muddy waters with CC members, especially not ones who are so gushing from the word 'go'. Like me, lol.
RE: just sharing...
sounds to me like you got out of that relationship just in time.
he is someone that, like you pointed out, switched atitude quick.
i worry about the females he gets offline the words..
''stalker'' and ''OJ" come to mind.
lessons for you to learn..well nothing you didnt lead him on, according to what you siad here. his fantisydream girl has been created a long time ago , you are his currant attempt to put a face on his dream.
i think his real gf is going to get hurt if she looks at or flirts with a man.
he is someone that, like you pointed out, switched atitude quick.
i worry about the females he gets offline the words..
''stalker'' and ''OJ" come to mind.
lessons for you to learn..well nothing you didnt lead him on, according to what you siad here. his fantisydream girl has been created a long time ago , you are his currant attempt to put a face on his dream.
i think his real gf is going to get hurt if she looks at or flirts with a man.
RE: just sharing...
most hosts here either have bf or are married. to believe otherwise is foolish. this is a nice fantasy site and thats all. guys have a good time. hosts just be kind to lonely guys and be honest. they will respect you for honesty. all of my favorites have bfs or are married and i still enjoy them.
RE: just sharing...
thank you all who shared their opinion, means much to me, i appreciate it a lot, thank you again.
kiss you my friends, i knew i can count on your support :)
if anyone else wanna share, i'll be happy to know your point of view. thank you :)
kiss you my friends, i knew i can count on your support :)
if anyone else wanna share, i'll be happy to know your point of view. thank you :)
RE: just sharing...
Was he belgian? Lol !
I knew a guy like that, and they usually do this to all the girls they find here... So, hugs girl, don't mind him :)
Take care!
I knew a guy like that, and they usually do this to all the girls they find here... So, hugs girl, don't mind him :)
Take care!
RE: just sharing...
The Merrium Webster definition of virtual reality with the keyword being "artificial"
Main Entry: virtual reality
Function: noun
: an artificial environment which is experienced through sensory stimuli (as sights and sounds) provided by a computer and in which one's actions partially determine what happens in the environment
Main Entry: virtual reality
Function: noun
: an artificial environment which is experienced through sensory stimuli (as sights and sounds) provided by a computer and in which one's actions partially determine what happens in the environment
RE: just sharing...
Ok...let me take another point of view. A successful true non-adult host has one goal. Make friends with members, make them feel special, make them feel to some extent loved, make them come back again and again to chat and ultimately to videos. Some clever hosts do that over time, slowly, never mentioning a video and yes..many members become emotionally involved not just the sociopaths among us. Some host are less subtle and they lie to members from the get go...again with the sole goal of making money.
So....is the guy a loser? Of course.... Is he somewhat justified in blaming the host.... sure. One way or the other the host sent a message to him...intentionally or not...that he was special in her eyes....when reality hit...and it eventually does...then the jerk took over and well....love spurned.
So....if you play with fire....you sometimes get burned. Just be lucky he does not live down the street from you.
So....is the guy a loser? Of course.... Is he somewhat justified in blaming the host.... sure. One way or the other the host sent a message to him...intentionally or not...that he was special in her eyes....when reality hit...and it eventually does...then the jerk took over and well....love spurned.
So....if you play with fire....you sometimes get burned. Just be lucky he does not live down the street from you.
RE: just sharing...
The majority of guys here are borderline insane, lonely pathetic fucks who fall in love the instant a host shows any affection. Now, those of us with a brain no its untrue, afterall, you dont pay someone to see them on video when they love you. You gotta be careful though, if you start telling guys "hey I really like you, we have a connection" or "I'm falling for you" some guys will actually believe this. Be honest with them, thats always the best way, if they get pushy tell them to remember its a fantasy. Dont play with their unstable emotions, its not fair and it will bring you more trouble from them in the future.
RE: just sharing...
<<Now, those of us with a brain no its untrue,>> If you had a brain, you would not have so badly misspelled "know".
RE: just sharing... Re D
if you believe the host likes or loves you, just ask them for free video. then you will find out how fast love dies. lol.
RE: just sharing...
Triksy bin the loser. Go for someone like me who doesn't want you as a gf in real but just wants to have sex with you with no strings attached :D.
What do you mean by the statement treated you like a female rather than a person ? (or do you mean like an object ?)
What do you mean by the statement treated you like a female rather than a person ? (or do you mean like an object ?)
Four kinds of sex :-))
HOUSE SEX - When you are newly married and have sex all over the house in every room.
BEDROOM SEX - After you have been married for a while, you only have sex in the bedroom.
HALL SEX - After you've been married for many, many years you just pass each other in the hall and say "Fuck you"
COURTROOM SEX - When your wife and her lawyer fuck you in the divorce court in front of many people for every penny you've got.
BEDROOM SEX - After you have been married for a while, you only have sex in the bedroom.
HALL SEX - After you've been married for many, many years you just pass each other in the hall and say "Fuck you"
COURTROOM SEX - When your wife and her lawyer fuck you in the divorce court in front of many people for every penny you've got.
RE: Four kinds of sex :-))
Oh well at least I have had two out of four of those kinds of sex :)
RE: Fifth kind of sex :-))
Depends who its with...it goes from painful through delightful to a nightmare if you find the right/wrong hosts. :-D
Mustard :D
As ham sandwiches go, it was perfection. A thick slab of ham, a
fresh bun, crisp lettuce and plenty of expensive, light brown,
gourmet mustard. The corners of my jaw aching in anticipation, I
carried it to the picnic table in our backyard, picked it up
with both hands but was stopped by my wife suddenly at my side.
"Hold Johnny (our six-week-old son) while I get my sandwich,"
she said.
I had him balanced between my left elbow and shoulder and was
reaching again for the ham sandwich when I noticed a streak of
mustard on my fingers. I love mustard. I had no napkin. I licked
it off. It was not mustard. No man ever put a baby down faster.
It was the first and only time I have sprinted with my tongue
protruding. With a washcloth in each hand I did the sort of
routine shoeshine boys do, only I did it on my tongue. Later
(after she stopped crying from laughing so hard) my wife said,
"Now you know why they call that mustard 'Poupon.'"
fresh bun, crisp lettuce and plenty of expensive, light brown,
gourmet mustard. The corners of my jaw aching in anticipation, I
carried it to the picnic table in our backyard, picked it up
with both hands but was stopped by my wife suddenly at my side.
"Hold Johnny (our six-week-old son) while I get my sandwich,"
she said.
I had him balanced between my left elbow and shoulder and was
reaching again for the ham sandwich when I noticed a streak of
mustard on my fingers. I love mustard. I had no napkin. I licked
it off. It was not mustard. No man ever put a baby down faster.
It was the first and only time I have sprinted with my tongue
protruding. With a washcloth in each hand I did the sort of
routine shoeshine boys do, only I did it on my tongue. Later
(after she stopped crying from laughing so hard) my wife said,
"Now you know why they call that mustard 'Poupon.'"
RE: one
Is it getting better, Or do you feel the same
Will it make it easier on you, Now you got someone to blame
You say One love, One life
When its one need
In the night
Its one love, We get to share it
It leaves you baby, If you dont care for it
Did I disappoint you?
Or leave a bad taste in your mouth?
You act like you never had love
And you want me to go without
Well its too late
Tonight
To drag tha past out
Into the light
Were one
But were not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One
Have you come here for forgiveness
Have you come tor raise the dead
Havew you come here to play jesus
To the lepers in your head
Did I ask too much
More than a lot
You gave me nothing
Now its all I got
Were one
But were not the same
We hurt each other
Then we do it again
You say
Love is a temple
Love a higher law
Love is a temple
Love the higher law
You ask me to enter
But then you make me crawl
And I cant be holding on
To what you got
When all you got is hurt
One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters
Brothers
One life
But were not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One
One.
by Bono
Will it make it easier on you, Now you got someone to blame
You say One love, One life
When its one need
In the night
Its one love, We get to share it
It leaves you baby, If you dont care for it
Did I disappoint you?
Or leave a bad taste in your mouth?
You act like you never had love
And you want me to go without
Well its too late
Tonight
To drag tha past out
Into the light
Were one
But were not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One
Have you come here for forgiveness
Have you come tor raise the dead
Havew you come here to play jesus
To the lepers in your head
Did I ask too much
More than a lot
You gave me nothing
Now its all I got
Were one
But were not the same
We hurt each other
Then we do it again
You say
Love is a temple
Love a higher law
Love is a temple
Love the higher law
You ask me to enter
But then you make me crawl
And I cant be holding on
To what you got
When all you got is hurt
One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters
Brothers
One life
But were not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One
One.
by Bono
RE: he played me!!!!
If you've played the game, you know the rules.
There's no place for hearts, except for fools.
If the laugh's on me, why are you depressed?
It's your last laugh, as with all the rest
Of the guys you played your game upon.
The many, many who have come and gone.
Games, you say, you have no time for.
But life for you, is nothing more.
There's no place for hearts, except for fools.
If the laugh's on me, why are you depressed?
It's your last laugh, as with all the rest
Of the guys you played your game upon.
The many, many who have come and gone.
Games, you say, you have no time for.
But life for you, is nothing more.
RE: he played me!!!!
You need help when you talk to yourself dude.............................
Wow
Sexy Hana, brazialian princess she was, great sense of humor and a amazing smile. I enjoyed my chat session with her very much. Great conversation, great person. Thanks for the good time and the laughs hana.
RE: whats hot
well i would like to say ''the girl next door'' but the one i got next door is old and crazy and is always screaming at he bf about giving him head and getting nothing in return. and i meen SCREAMING so the whole street hears.
but the girl on the other side of town is HOT. can i pick her ?
but the girl on the other side of town is HOT. can i pick her ?
RE: HAPPY BDAY DM !!!
DM have birthday 15 jun.
DM have a nice day, and i hope England wins in Germany.
DM have a nice day, and i hope England wins in Germany.
RE: HAPPY BDAY DM !!!
??? your birthday again ??? jeez, the year has passed too fast...
(singing in a sweet soft quiet voice...)
Happy birthday to youuu...
Happy birthday to youuuu...
Happy birthday, dear Kriiiiiiiiiissssssss..... :P
Happy birthday tooooo youuuuuuuu !!!.....
all the best to you, dear, have fun and good luck (K)
kisss
(singing in a sweet soft quiet voice...)
Happy birthday to youuu...
Happy birthday to youuuu...
Happy birthday, dear Kriiiiiiiiiissssssss..... :P
Happy birthday tooooo youuuuuuuu !!!.....
all the best to you, dear, have fun and good luck (K)
kisss
RE: HAPPY BDAY DM !!!
er..yeah..what everyone above me said...have a good one mate and dont drink too much :)
RE: HAPPY BDAY DM !!!
Happy Birthday Mate,
Comedy Club followed by Reflex or you have another plan??? lol
Have fun this evening, drink loads and be lucky : )
Comedy Club followed by Reflex or you have another plan??? lol
Have fun this evening, drink loads and be lucky : )
HAPPY BDAY DM from me too !!!
Sorrrry was kicked out of net before party started - dont eat all of gortys cakes but let the bitter float - all the best for ur BD DM !!!
RE: HAPPY BDAY DM !!!
Happy birthday minger.... Get drunk, fall over, puke up, stagger up the road home, fiddle with the keys to the door... Finally after 30 mins of playing with ur keys the door opens and u fall in..40 mins after that u wake up and stagger up the stairs thinking ur singing the words to a song that only u know... find the door to the loo, stand in front of the loo swaying to and fro, take a pee and feel wet afterwards as u remember that u forgot to pull the zipper of ur jeans down.. :D
Stagger out of the loo and find ur way to ur room with the help of the wall, still singing the words to a song u only know, and adding the beat of the drum as u fart ur way down the hall.. :D
find the door of ur room and send ur shoes flying across the room as u kick them off.. This time u finally remember about ur zipper but thats as far as u get as u flop onto the bed.. Room starts spinning and it looks cool till u feel u have to puke, grabbing the nearest thing about, UR SHOE.. :D... FINALLY u fall asleep in a mess...
Just remember the next morning to clean out ur shoe b4 u put ur foot in it.... and fecking clean them jeans too.. PISSY PANTS...hahaha
Have a gr8 day Kris
Stagger out of the loo and find ur way to ur room with the help of the wall, still singing the words to a song u only know, and adding the beat of the drum as u fart ur way down the hall.. :D
find the door of ur room and send ur shoes flying across the room as u kick them off.. This time u finally remember about ur zipper but thats as far as u get as u flop onto the bed.. Room starts spinning and it looks cool till u feel u have to puke, grabbing the nearest thing about, UR SHOE.. :D... FINALLY u fall asleep in a mess...
Just remember the next morning to clean out ur shoe b4 u put ur foot in it.... and fecking clean them jeans too.. PISSY PANTS...hahaha
Have a gr8 day Kris
Woman&tornados
How are women and tornadoes alike?
They both moan like hell when they come, and take the house when they leave.
They both moan like hell when they come, and take the house when they leave.
Dungeon subs
I see many DOM-hosts but cant find any slaves.
I want some names if there are any here.
thnx
I want some names if there are any here.
thnx
RE: Dungeon subs
damit, i 4got to say FEMALE
but ok INYF you can start by cleaning my toilet
i get you a silky pink thong to wear , Max has my only slutty maid uniform
but ok INYF you can start by cleaning my toilet
i get you a silky pink thong to wear , Max has my only slutty maid uniform
why not try
just posting this and getting a read response from slaves.
not just dumass replys.
not just dumass replys.
RE: Dungeon subs
i can recommend ObedientChic too. She is great fun and loves doing this. Give her a try you won't be disappointed. And she is a lovely girl as well
RE: Lol
ignoring the mindless crap for a second, thanx for the recomadation.
to respond to the idiots...
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RE: Lol
wasn't a simple "thank you" enough?
did you really have to go and try to goad someone into an attack?
shame on you.
did you really have to go and try to goad someone into an attack?
shame on you.
25th anniversary:-))
A man and his wife go to their honeymoon hotel for their 25th anniversary. As the couple reflected on that magical evening 25 years ago, the wife asked the husband, "When you first saw my naked body in front of you, what was going through your mind?"
The husband replied, "All I wanted to do was to fuck your brains out, and suck your tits dry."
Then, as the wife undressed, she asked, "What are you thinking now?"
He replied, "It looks as if I did a pretty good job."
The husband replied, "All I wanted to do was to fuck your brains out, and suck your tits dry."
Then, as the wife undressed, she asked, "What are you thinking now?"
He replied, "It looks as if I did a pretty good job."
Spain 4 Ukraine 0
A tough start for Ukraine's first World Cup tounament, still you did better than Russia :-P
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
Why losers? You think you're that special that they should keep the name blocked? Lol!
My host name has been given to 3 girls since I stopped working, and I had no problem about it.
My host name has been given to 3 girls since I stopped working, and I had no problem about it.
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
well... that was not that type of screennames that go from one girl to another again and again so you never can remember what the girl looked like...
so imagine that someone started to post under "Psy" and you can't post under it anymore :) :D how would you feel? still ok ? :P
so imagine that someone started to post under "Psy" and you can't post under it anymore :) :D how would you feel? still ok ? :P
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
I would find another :P
Why wouldn't the name pass to another? I had no problem about it, I don't why she has any.. well, except she had some issues with the studio, then, yeah, screw them !
The studio is trying to make money so..
( I've girls that chose their name and it suited them, had blue eyes, for example, and the screen name reffered to that, and another girl comes and she's having brown eyes.. that doesn't fit ; )
Why wouldn't the name pass to another? I had no problem about it, I don't why she has any.. well, except she had some issues with the studio, then, yeah, screw them !
The studio is trying to make money so..
( I've girls that chose their name and it suited them, had blue eyes, for example, and the screen name reffered to that, and another girl comes and she's having brown eyes.. that doesn't fit ; )
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
It's when you inherit a name like AssFuckedSlut that you really have to worry :D
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
So does another chathost have your old screenname, or is your old screen deleted? :P
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
Still in use :) ( well, think so, the girl wasn't online for some days, but that's nothing to worry about :P )
RE: Wow!Wildorhidea
And the new girl, is even warm in the pants ??? loooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllll
Question for members
If women paid to videochat with male hosts and you would have the possibility to earn, lets say, an average 1500-2000$/month from chathosting, would you do it? (as a full time job i mean)
RE: Question for members
If women paid to videochat with male hosts and you would have the possibility to earn, lets say, an average 1500-2000$/month from chathosting, would you do it? (as a full time job i mean)
lol) i'd ask a lil different way :
If videochatting would give possibility to earn much more then man able to earn on other jobs in their contries - would members use this possibility instead of "normal fulltime job"? )))
lol) i'd ask a lil different way :
If videochatting would give possibility to earn much more then man able to earn on other jobs in their contries - would members use this possibility instead of "normal fulltime job"? )))
RE: Question for members
Well...i am a host (over 2 years now) and all i made was $0.25..LMFREAKINAO...women will never pay that amout to see a guy in vid...i only did pay vid once for a laugh...even with free vid i dont get many come see me...but it is a nice thought
RE: Question for members
Not enough for me here in UK - need more if its to be a full-time job.
By the way ... would you pay & what would you hope to receive?
By the way ... would you pay & what would you hope to receive?
RE: Question for members
If I could earn as much as I do now and I thought for one minute girls would pay to see me then yes.
Hell I wank all day anyway might as well get paid for it :P
Hell I wank all day anyway might as well get paid for it :P
RE: Question for members
I'm so ugly I couldn't earn a penny....now maybe if I start out naked and make people pay me to put my clothes back on...I could retire in a week.
RE: Question for members
As I said I definetely would Joy :D
It's like when I watch guys having sex with pornstars and think damn that bastard is getting paid TO DO THAT :(
It's like when I watch guys having sex with pornstars and think damn that bastard is getting paid TO DO THAT :(
RE: Question for members
No, because I would need twice that to pay rent and eat. Also, I would need some type of health care plan and retirement benefits. And this is just to match what I have now, so there's a long way to go before I would be able to survive on that.
RE: Question for members
How many male hosts are in the straight category but really do anything for a paying guy?
RE: Question for members
You cannot survive in the US on that little money but as a part time job if I had absolutely no self respect and a negative self image...sure why not.
To Imshy hehe
Maybe it's not what he's like, but yesterday, when listening to it, I thought about him :) It's a wonderful song, btw
Shy
I can see how you are beautiful, can you feel my eyes on you,
I'm shy and turn my head away
Working late in diner Citylight, I see that you get home alright
Make sure that you can't see me, hoping you will see me
Sometimes I'm wondering why you look me and you blink your eye
You can't be acting like my Dana (can you)
I see you in Citylight diner serving all those meals and then
I see reflections of me in your eye, oh please
Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you see
Obsessed by you, your looks, well, anyway "I would any day die for you",
I write on paper erased away
Still I sit in diner Citylight, drinking coffee or reading lies
Turn my head and I can see you, could that really be you
Sometimes I'm wondering why you look me and you blink your eye
You can't be acting like my Dana?
I see your beautiful smile and I would like to run away from
Reflections of me in your eyes, oh please
Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you see
I see, can't have you, can't leave you, there 'cause I must sometimes see you
And I don't understand how you can keep me in chains
And every waking hour, I feel you taking power From me and I can't leave
Repeating the scenery over again
Sometimes I'm wondering why you look me and you blink your eye
You can't be acting like my Dana?
I see your beautiful smile and I would like to run away from
Reflections of me in your eyes, oh please
Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you see,
Oh baby, Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you, I'm shy can't you, I'm shy can't you see
Sonata Artctica
Shy
I can see how you are beautiful, can you feel my eyes on you,
I'm shy and turn my head away
Working late in diner Citylight, I see that you get home alright
Make sure that you can't see me, hoping you will see me
Sometimes I'm wondering why you look me and you blink your eye
You can't be acting like my Dana (can you)
I see you in Citylight diner serving all those meals and then
I see reflections of me in your eye, oh please
Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you see
Obsessed by you, your looks, well, anyway "I would any day die for you",
I write on paper erased away
Still I sit in diner Citylight, drinking coffee or reading lies
Turn my head and I can see you, could that really be you
Sometimes I'm wondering why you look me and you blink your eye
You can't be acting like my Dana?
I see your beautiful smile and I would like to run away from
Reflections of me in your eyes, oh please
Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you see
I see, can't have you, can't leave you, there 'cause I must sometimes see you
And I don't understand how you can keep me in chains
And every waking hour, I feel you taking power From me and I can't leave
Repeating the scenery over again
Sometimes I'm wondering why you look me and you blink your eye
You can't be acting like my Dana?
I see your beautiful smile and I would like to run away from
Reflections of me in your eyes, oh please
Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you see,
Oh baby, Talk to me, show some pity
You touch me in many, many ways
But I'm shy can't you, I'm shy can't you, I'm shy can't you see
Sonata Artctica
RE: To Imshy hehe
Wow....nice song psy...but dont think of me when u hear it...thats enough to ruin anyones day :p
Thx...b good..hugs
Thx...b good..hugs
General Questions
If sex sites and chat sites never existed, how many of you Chathos would give shows via yahoo?
How many of you viewers would have the internet connection, if this and other sex sites were non-existant?
How many of you viewers would have the internet connection, if this and other sex sites were non-existant?
RE: General Questions
<<How many of you viewers would have the internet connection, if this and other sex sites were non-existant?>>
Sorry, but that is ridiculous question.
Sorry, but that is ridiculous question.
RE: General Questions
It's ridiculous because no one gets an internet connection just to jack off, that's why.
RE: General Questions
It is faintly ridiculous because it makes the huge assumption that people soley use the internet for adult (read sex) activities. Don't get me wrong the sex industry has been a prime agitator of new technologies to sell it's wares. But that is not more of an advance than when porn first made the leap from 35mm film to video tape. Would ever ask the question whether people would have bought video recorders if blue movies had not exisited? Such a question shows a certain sense of naiveity that can only come from someone trying to explain their fascination with CC and similar sites. What would be more of an interesting question would be are there any noticable effects to prolonged usage of sites like CC. And how does that affect the other online activities people get up to.
RE: General Questions
I don't think anyone gets an internet connection just to look at sex sites - but once you have connection is tempting to see what sort of things are on internet, and then to join sites, and then to spend too much time/money on sex sites .....
maybe better question is... would you have got the internet if you realised you would spend more time on sex sites than anything else?
maybe better question is... would you have got the internet if you realised you would spend more time on sex sites than anything else?
RE: General Questions
If you think people dont get an internet connection just for porn, I think you both are sadly mistaken and definitely out of touch. For many I think its the MAIN reason for getting the connection. Especially men. And in Eastern Europe, the only reason girls initially get a PC and an internet connection is to cater to this demand for porn. get your heads out of your collective asses.
RE: General Questions
<<For many I think its the MAIN reason for getting the connection. Especially men.>>
Okay, so I underestimated how pathetic most men are. REALLY pathetic.
<<And in Eastern Europe, the only reason girls initially get a PC and an internet connection is to cater to this demand for porn.>>
But the OP's question wasn't phrased to include hosts. He specifically asked if viewers would have a connection without porn.
Okay, so I underestimated how pathetic most men are. REALLY pathetic.
<<And in Eastern Europe, the only reason girls initially get a PC and an internet connection is to cater to this demand for porn.>>
But the OP's question wasn't phrased to include hosts. He specifically asked if viewers would have a connection without porn.
RE: General Questions
i have my internet for WORK and the last time i checked i don't work on a porn site. So to huh, we must assume that when you talk about pathetic you are talking about yourself
RE: General Questions
I didnt mention pathetic in my post. those in denial, like you, regularly use rationizations such as yours to defend thier "need" for a PC and internet connection. "Its for work, its for email, i do research" blah blah blah you porn dog. youre not fooling anyone but yourself.
RE: General Questions
<< those in denial, like you, regularly use rationizations such as yours to defend thier "need" for a PC and internet connection. "Its for work, its for email, i do research" blah blah blah you porn dog. youre not fooling anyone but yourself.>>
You make a lousy debater, and you are probably a lousy master debater too. Making assumtions you can't possibly prove gets you no points, other than to show that you're only attempting to be a smartass.
You make a lousy debater, and you are probably a lousy master debater too. Making assumtions you can't possibly prove gets you no points, other than to show that you're only attempting to be a smartass.
RE: General Questions
i think im a great masterbater thanks. now run along and continue your host ass kissing.
really enjoy it
Have you ever met girl who really enjoy it? I mean who did sexy show and liked it..not for money but for satisfaction.Or who doing sexy show in free video too?
RE: really enjoy it
Most simulate it. Some go to extremes of having water or some other fluid to "prove" how wet and hot you made them. Unlikely that many girl here really get off with a member considering they have to do it over and over. Sure there are exceptions. I strongly believe my old friend Cinderellla....long gone....did ...based on the length of time, the noise and the fact she was not a skilled faker like most here. I guess the answer is...maybe..but unlikely.
RE: really enjoy it
I was doing it during my first private sessions.
It was very-very funny. As soon as a member came in video, I was beginning to get undressed. In spite of my category - "Little shy".
And several times members said: "Oh, no... please don't get nude. I wanna chat first".
So now I don't hurry to take my clothes off. I don't think that very polite to show my nude ass to the member who has visited my room for heart-to-heart talk. ;)
It was very-very funny. As soon as a member came in video, I was beginning to get undressed. In spite of my category - "Little shy".
And several times members said: "Oh, no... please don't get nude. I wanna chat first".
So now I don't hurry to take my clothes off. I don't think that very polite to show my nude ass to the member who has visited my room for heart-to-heart talk. ;)
RE: really enjoy it
hey you're right Anonymous. But did you know that only 8.3% of posts mention statistics? LOL
RE: really enjoy it
Whether or not a woman enjoys a show depends entirely upon the man. If a man is a good lover and knows how to properly seduce and make love to a woman, then the chances are very good that the host will enjoy the show and have fond memories of it and the member afterwards. Remember, the largest and most important erogenous zone is the human mind. If you can lead a womans mind... her imagination.... then you can take her on a journey of pleasure and enable her to reach heights of ecstasy she never knew existed and make her feel sensations so powerful, so incredible she never even dreamed she was capable of feeling them. It's no different here, then in real life, she is still a woman. It just takes a special kind of man. A man who possesses the experience, the passion, the creativity and the patience to put in the effort required to please a woman like that. Unfortunately for the hosts most guys here are not willing to put in that kind of effort. They're quite happy with getting off quick and giving themselves a pat on the back when the host fakes it and says he was a hot lover... just as they do with women in real life. If you don't want to be a curious boy all your life, take the time to learn how to be a great lover and become an experienced man... the rewards are endless. And there is one more point I should make... being a great lover is not about having a big ego and thinking you are God's gift to women. Being a great lover comes from a different place... a place of giving... it is selfless... only desiring to give your lover the greatest pleasure possible and to enrich their lives by giving them experiences beyond anything they ever knew they could feel... even in spite of your own pleasure. There is nothing more fulfilling then that.
RE: really enjoy it
I think you have just written the mission statement for this site. The most perceptive and true posting I have read here.
RE: really enjoy it
Very well said CaptainC ... and so very, very true. That's why so many hosts like us "older" guys here. Thanks for a very articulate expression of true love-making.
RE: To El
I whole-heartedly agree with you El. Every man should strive to do that.
If you become complacent and are content to sit on your larels just because your lover complimented you after one night of great sex, it won't be long before your lover starts growing bored with your lovemaking. It isn't always easy to do, but you must try to keep things fresh and new in the bedroom as much as possible. To add variety to your lovemaking skills and keep the spice alive between you.
Being creative and having a great imagination can certainly be a big help in that department. Experiment with different positions and techniques. Pay close attention to the way your lover responds. The sounds they make. Their body language. Do they pull away slightly signalling to you that it is unpleasurable or that you need to adjust your speed and pressure, etc.? Or do they push against you (or pull you tighter against them) signalling that it feels great and they want more of the same? Those are things a great lover pays attention to and they adjust accordingly.
I also want to add that before you can truly become a great lover you must become a master of foreplay. Foreplay is much more than going down on a woman for a few minutes before you jump to intercourse. In fact, foreplay begins long before you enter the bedroom and sets the stage for the whole event. It can begin with something as simple as a smile to your lover across a crowded room as you talk to separate groups of people at a party... or running your hand slowly and seductively down her arm or the small of her back as you whisper in her ear in a low sexy voice that you can't wait to get her home, then walking away with a naughty smile on your face as she watches you and smiles back. Foreplay is teasing... and it is one of your most important tools as a lover. If you can create a feeling of anticipation in your lover, seducing her becomes a whole lot easier. She will actually be doing a great deal of the work for you as she fantasizes and imagines making love to you later and feels her desire for lovemaking grow as she does.
If you become complacent and are content to sit on your larels just because your lover complimented you after one night of great sex, it won't be long before your lover starts growing bored with your lovemaking. It isn't always easy to do, but you must try to keep things fresh and new in the bedroom as much as possible. To add variety to your lovemaking skills and keep the spice alive between you.
Being creative and having a great imagination can certainly be a big help in that department. Experiment with different positions and techniques. Pay close attention to the way your lover responds. The sounds they make. Their body language. Do they pull away slightly signalling to you that it is unpleasurable or that you need to adjust your speed and pressure, etc.? Or do they push against you (or pull you tighter against them) signalling that it feels great and they want more of the same? Those are things a great lover pays attention to and they adjust accordingly.
I also want to add that before you can truly become a great lover you must become a master of foreplay. Foreplay is much more than going down on a woman for a few minutes before you jump to intercourse. In fact, foreplay begins long before you enter the bedroom and sets the stage for the whole event. It can begin with something as simple as a smile to your lover across a crowded room as you talk to separate groups of people at a party... or running your hand slowly and seductively down her arm or the small of her back as you whisper in her ear in a low sexy voice that you can't wait to get her home, then walking away with a naughty smile on your face as she watches you and smiles back. Foreplay is teasing... and it is one of your most important tools as a lover. If you can create a feeling of anticipation in your lover, seducing her becomes a whole lot easier. She will actually be doing a great deal of the work for you as she fantasizes and imagines making love to you later and feels her desire for lovemaking grow as she does.
RE: really enjoy it
I'm curious about your answer. How long and how much money would you think it would take to trully seduce a cam woman. In my experience it has been a slow process. And without physical contact it would take longer. Do you think that maybe is why it doesn't happen more if bcuse of cost?
RE: really enjoy it
It is impossible to give you a time table and total cost because there are too many variables. You have to not only take into consideration the level of experience of the man but also his ability to express himself. It is more than just saying what you want to do. The man must paint a rich and vivid picture of the events that the woman can visualize and imagine... making it all the more real to her. You also must know that not every host charges the same price per minute so how could you possibly calculate a hard set dollar amount? However I do agree that for most, myself included, money is an object and we do not have never-ending bank accounts. So basically you have to consider your options, how much can you afford per minute and for how long. Then weigh the quality versus quantity issue... would you rather do 5 video sessions a week for 10-15 minutes each time that basically get the job done, but are soon forgotten, or would you rather do 1 video session for an hour each week that rocks your world and the hosts too and that you will remember for a long time? It comes down to your personal preference. I can tell you though that you'll never be a great lover, in real life or online, if you are watching the clock... your focus should always be on your lover. And finally, I can't say that I agree with your assessment that it takes longer to seduce a woman online because of the lack of physical contact. In fact I believe, if done properly, it would take less time. The reason is, in real life the man can touch the woman, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean he would be touching her the way she likes it... ie too rough, too much pressure, etc.... so he could be causing her discomfort or turning her off. On the other hand if a man is seducing a woman with his words and the woman is imagining the things he says... for instance if he said he was slowly caressing her breasts... then the host is going to naturally imagine the feel of his hands, the touch that is most pleasurable for her and him caressing her breasts the way she likes it and it will increase her level of desire. Basically she will imagine the best possible scenario and fill in the blanks... which actually assists you in seducing her online. Think about it.... if a beautiful host told you in video that she wanted to go down on you, you would begin to imagine it in your head, right? And would you be imagining her giving you a crappy unpleasurable blow job or would you be imagining her giving you the blow job of a lifetime doing it exactly the way you love it? I think every man would be imagining the latter, it is just natural to do so. And women are the same way. Well this post is already a lot longer than I intended, I hope I shed some light on it for you and gave you something to think about. Take care.
RE: really enjoy it
"Have you ever met girl who really enjoy it? I mean who did sexy show and liked it..not for money but for satisfaction.Or who doing sexy show in free video too?"
The point of question is not ab if girls get a pleasure, but if girls do free shows. I heard smth like this so much times! "Babe, do u really enjoy things u're doing here, or it just ab money? -- yes, sure i love it! -- Gr8 bb, give me your yahoo id!-- mm what for? -- So i could see & i will let u see my c@ck! -- why don't u just come on video? -- bb, if we both will get a pleasure, why should i pay? looool
Its possible to get real orgasm on cam, but not 20 times a day & not with 5 mins members shouting from 1st mins of video "use your giggest toy & c2mm , now! Faster!! Now!! lol
The point of question is not ab if girls get a pleasure, but if girls do free shows. I heard smth like this so much times! "Babe, do u really enjoy things u're doing here, or it just ab money? -- yes, sure i love it! -- Gr8 bb, give me your yahoo id!-- mm what for? -- So i could see & i will let u see my c@ck! -- why don't u just come on video? -- bb, if we both will get a pleasure, why should i pay? looool
Its possible to get real orgasm on cam, but not 20 times a day & not with 5 mins members shouting from 1st mins of video "use your giggest toy & c2mm , now! Faster!! Now!! lol