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Sultans of swing (Dire straits)
Angie (The rolling stones)
Fortunate son (Credence clearwater revival)
Iris (Goo goo dolls)
Hoppipolla (Sigur ros)

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Ooooh... marry me laughing girl!! :P

I could never choose only 5 either... and I would probably just have to pick bands rather than just songs too!! :)

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Everything by ELO and almost everytyhing by CCR? Okay, you marry her. She and I would fight too much about these and some of her other choices. :p

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You showed me yours so I should show you mine? Sounds like someone likes cam to cam. :P

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This is an impossible task. 5 favorite groups, maybe, but 5 best songs???

Okay, here is my list, but I would probably change it 10000 times dependning upon my mood.

1. Behind Blue Eyes, The Who
2. Eyes of the World, Grateful Dead
3. My Way, Frank Sinatra
4. London Calling, The Clash
5. Love Supreme, John Coltrane (I am counting this as one song since the album lists the songs as "part 1", "part 2", and "part 3")

Symphony For The Devil - Rolling Stones
Born To Be Wild - Steppenwolf
White Room - Cream
Little Piece Of MY Heart - Big Brother and The Holding Company (yes Janis was in a band)
Summer Wind - Frank Sinatra

For newer stuff anything by Alicia Keys

currently...

1) The Killers - Mr. Brightside
2) Guillemots - Get Over It
3) Mystery Jets - Young Love
4) Amy Macdonald - Mr Rock & Roll
5) Led Zepplin - Immigrant Song

interesting thats there lots of Sinatra fans. some very classy members.

we' be classy and stylish too:D

he was an easy listen and some of his music transcends time

You guys are showing your age...at least we didnt get Elvis or doo wop.

Would someone that likes classical music need to be a few hundred years old? Many younger people like Classic Rock, Jazz, Blues, and even Elvis. A true music fan would appreciate the talents of great groups from the past and present. And in terms of whether to choose older groups, a younger fan just might like these groups better. There is a reason that classical music or classical paintings stand the test of time.... They are among the best ever and can be appreciated by people regardless of their age.

older rock groups were better than the new one

Absolutely agree. The really exclusive things are timeless.

As for me, I'm open to any kind of music if it is really talented, well done and deeply touches me...and not only me as I'm aware. However, I must admit I can hardly choose the favourites from the newest ones...mostly all seems not enough "unique"...But yes, SOME I could add to my list anyway, I am not that old-fashioned at all...

IMO of course..but I think we just live at those times of overall decline of culture when seems all the best was done before and we're just waiting for something really "earth-shattering"...the explosion of new ideas and new styles (and not only in music, generally I mean all the kinds of culture) which can shake almost everyone...Am I really such a perfectionist..lol?
For sure everyone has own preferences these days as well but in my opinion it is not the same "wave" as it was in 40s-80s... Thereat it was really "tsunami" of talents all over the world.

I'm sorry, but to compare rock and pop music to classical is simply ludicrous.
Mozart was a genius; both the emotional and intellectual depth of his music is timeless. To equate him to Elvis or a bunch of adolescents hammering out the same three chords in the same monotonous progressions is laughable. The only appeal of such popular music is the sappy sentimentalism born of the times they were made popular; nothing more.

The only three things that I would agree with in your post are that one you are a snob, two Elvis was the most overrated performer ever and three Mozart was undoubtedly a talented composer.

The rest of your post though is, as you would say, just laughable.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with your point.

Nothing laughable and ludicrous in listening and enjoying various genres of music if it is really talented music and was made with the highest quality. I hate the same as you those 3 chords like you said...when sounds are just annoying thing and nothing more.
But to compare various genres of music is the same as to compare various instruments while each of them is incomparable - clavecin is not the same as saxophone...but both are wonderful and enjoyable.
Classical music always stands apart, it is definitely not for everyone. Mozart is Mozart, Bach is Bach and no one disproves their genius. But another kind of music can be also surpassing and out of ordinary, and right to that point any long living music proves that.

Btw, are you sure if Mozart was alive he won't like to listen from time to time something by Queen for example?

I would argue it's easier than ever to get your music out there, but it is not as widely disseminated because distribution is not dominated by big labels. I think there's a lot of very fresh music being made today, influenced broadly by music the world over. Today I can have a conversation with a French musician, an African musician, a Balinese musician, and we can find common ground. Something called the internet.

And Frank Sinatra sang flat a lot of the time :-)

5, you have to be kidding...

Rock:
"Gimme Shelter" - The Rolling Stones
"Gloria/Opus Dei" - Patti Smith Group
"Don't take me alive" - Steely Dan
"Good Times, Bad Times" - Led Zeppelin
"Freebird" - Lynard Skynyrd

Alternative:
"The Perfect Kiss" - New Order
"In the end" - Linkin Park
"Push it" - Garbage
"Why can't I be you?" - The Cure
"Sympathy for the Devil" - Laibach

Pop:
"Is she really going out with him" - Joe Jackson
"Wrap it Up" - Sam & Dave
"Allison" - Elvis Costello
"SOS" - Abba
"Sunny" - Boney M

Traditional:
"Mon Dieu" - Edith Piaf
"Come Fly with me" - Frank Sinatra
"Accentuate the Positive" - Bing Crosby
"Sing, Sing, Sing" - Benny Goodman / Gene Krupa
"I'll be seeing you" - Jo Stafford

Two American classics -
"Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue" - Toby Keith
America, F*** Yeah" - Team America

and of couse, the CC theme song...

"Money" - The Flying Lizards

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Just the way you are - Billy Joel
Julia - Beatles
Bitter sweet symphony - The Verve
You're beautiful - James Blunt
Wish you were here - Pink Floyd

But better 100 I think

These Foolish Things
Stardust
When the World Was Young
When Joanna Loved Me
If She Walked into My Life Today

Happy listening .... Cheers :)

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My choice right now

In Lipsa mea - smiley featuring uzzi
While my guitar gently weeps - beatles
Ya Shoslas Uma - Tatu
Matsuri - Kitajima Saburo
Rob D - Clubbed to Death

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turn the page -bob seger
stairway to heaven -zepplin
dream on -areosmith
piano -billy joel
hotel california -eagels

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those are songs. never heard of them or the groups u mention.

You must not like alternative music or modern rock to never have heard of any of them. 3 doors down,evanescence, and Staind are popular. To be honest, I don't know the last two off of the top of my head but I imagine that I have heard their stuff before.

By the way, if "you" is the song about amy lee's sister, it is a very moving tune.

Wow.... Glad you posted Goth.... I was wrong and had not heard Nightwish before. That Tarja has a great voice on "Sleeping Sun". I also heard "Eva" but didn't think Annette was anything special.

I recommend everyone Youtube Nightwish and listen to Tarja singing Sleeping Sun. She's great!

Chasing Cars ...Snow Patrol
Comfortable Numb ...Pink Floyde
overkill ...men at work
imagine ...john Lennon
evil woman E.L.O.
AND FOR C.C.
CENTERFOLD J.Geils Band

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Not you again. How many times have you asked this? If you still have to ask, then it is very unlikely!!

A Dance to the Music of Time, Anthony Powell....UK
Nausea, Jean-Paul Sartre....France
Austerlitz, W. G. Sebald.....Germany
Scoop, Evelyn Waugh.....UK
Madame Bovary, Gustave Flaubert....France
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, James Joyce....Ireland
Dead Souls, Nikolai Gogol....Russia
Middlemarch, George Eliot....UK
The Notebook of Malte Laurids Brigge, Rainer Maria Rilke...Germany
Great Expectations, Charles Dickens.....UK

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I read a ton of stuff most of which is crap. For novels...that would be none this is my list.

Moby Dick
Heart of Darkness
1984
Lord of the Flies
The Road
Farenheit 451
All Quiet on the Western Front (When Johnny Got his Gun is also good in this theme)
Brother Karamazov
To Kill a Mockingbird
Lord of the RIngs

I will add Lolita as an 11th just because this is CC. Probably the Joy of Sex for that reason as well.

My suggestion...you can read all things (or which you can find at least) of Anton Chekhov, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Mikhail Bulgackov, Lev Tolstoy, Nickolai Gogol, Vladimir Nabockov, Mikhail Sholokhov, Vasily Shukshin, Ivan Bunin, Alexander Colzhenitsin, Ilya Ilf and Evgeny Petrov, Fazil Isckander, Chingiz Aitmatov, Sergey Dovlatov...(actually I could post much more names..I think you should also read something about the WWII if you are interested to know a reality from the veterans but not only what you was given in your high school). Those are the great writers, and the great poets are: Alexander Pushkin, Sergey Esenin, Michail Lermontov, Alexander Block, Anna Akhmatova, Marina Tsvetaeva (http://home.comcast.net/~kneller/tsvetaeva.html)...All them are worth to read if you really want to know at least a part of Russian culture.

Totally agree with you about "Doctor Zhivago" by Boris Pasternack and "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee..

I cannot post My 10 top just because I can't choose from that number of the great things I have read...Too much to post here...lol. Well, just some names maybe...all those Russian authors I posted above plus Lion Feuchtwanger, John Steinebeck, C.S.Lewis, William Shakespear, Charles Dickens, George Bernard Shaw, O. Henry, Jerome К. Jerome, J. D. Salinger, Ken Kesey, Harper Lee, George Orwell, Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner, Kurt Vonnegut, Anthony Burgess, Thomas Keneally, Theodore Dreiser...oh can't stop really...lol

Happy reading, Ray :-)

Ah, forgot to mention this great author Erve Bazin...but I've read only his "Stand up and Go" (not sure if my spelling of the title in English is correct though)

p.s. i eat books ;-)

spelling of his name is Hervé Bazin... but I'm not expecting you to have the acute accent on your keyboard ;-)

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Love the work of Tsvetaeva. That link is tremondous, especially for the further links within Kneller's own site. Thanks laughing girl:-)

My pleasure, Silverfish :-)

I've also found out some nice links of Russian literature translated into English..These ones are great:

http://home.freeuk.net/russica2/index.html
http://home.freeuk.net/russica2/books.html

Also these ones:

http://lib.ru/
http://lib.ru/TRANSLATION/
http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/akhmatova/akhmatova_ind.html
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/w/wagapow_a/

1. On the Road, by Jack Kerouac
2. Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut
3. Walden by Henry David Thoreau
4. Russian language tapes that help you pick up hot women.

Actually, just go with the tapes and you will be too tired to read if you are a good student.

soooooo you have only ever read 3 books....lol...:-)

That's not nice to laugh.You asked yourself to tell about top books.May be he likes most of all those 3 books.I wrote only about my fav books, not about all which I read.

your correct Gortensia...it was a joke...my bad taste.." My 2 cents" i am sorry if you accept.

No problem.... I wasn't upset.... unless of course you thought that I really had read only 3 books. :p

three pretty damn good books if you ask me. i almost wish those were the only three i had ever read.

honestly, i don't know why you even want to bury your nose in books while on vacation.

and if you really want to crush yourself under the weight of so much russian "literature" while there, i'd hide the fact if i were you........something about reading the russian greats in anything but the russian language while IN russia seems wrong to me.....very, very wrong.

Presumed Innocent........ Scott Turow
The Big Sleep....................Raymond Chandler
The Maltese Falcon..........Dashiell Hammett
Bonfire of the Vanities......Tom Wolfe
Find A Victim.......................Ross Macdonald
Cutter and Bone.................Newton Thornburg
The Electric Cotillion.........Don Asher
Catch 22..............................Joseph Heller
For Whom the Bell Tolls...Ernest Heminway
The Long Goodbye............Raymond Chandler.

Happy reading everyone... Cheers :))

Bonfire of the Vanities......Tom Wolfe never read will get ..but read the rest good taste..i take it you are American...so in my best accent...texas accent...YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWWWWW TOP MAN CHEERS

Thanks for your comments. No I'm not an American, although my choice of books may have given you that impression . I'm from England !! If you can find a copy of "The Electric Cotillion" then I'm sure you will enjoy it. It's set the the London jazz scene of some years ago and very funny.
Cheers :))

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book was good but don't waste time on the movie

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do comic books count?

Some of mine would include (in no particular order):

Fiction -

Humboldt's Gift - Saul Bellow
The Sum of All Fears - Tom Clancy
The Handmaid's Tail - Margaret Atwood
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson

Non-Fiction ( I could go on and on but I will limit it to 5) -

Twilight in the Desert - Matt Simmons
The Guns of August - Barbara Tuchman
The Civil War: A Narrative - Shelby Foote
The Worldly Philosophers - Robert Heilbroner
24 Hour Party People - Tony Wilson

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too many to list especially non fiction, but i agree with shelby footes civil war. for those who have trouble getting through a history book that is a great read

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Hi Lisa... I too like John Grisham's novels. Try Michael Connelly, I think you might like his stuff !!

Happy reading... Cheers :))

Grisham has a new book called 'Playing for Pizza'

Hi..Thanks for the tip. I'!! hotfoot it down to my local library !!! Just finished reading "The Appeal." Good, but not quite up to Grisham's usual standard.

Cheers :)

its a sports book so be forewarned but quite different and very good

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Hi Lisa.... please see new message posted today.
Cheers :))

he writes well but most of the stories are so implausible

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tisme thinks tick tock's a tosser....ahh that's my alliteration urge quelled for today :--))

*t'inks

and im a breastaholic

I think everyone who posted on this thread is a winner :)

then ur a weiner lol

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"The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA." - G. Gekko (1987)

:-)

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greed is good if it's ur greed and ur good at it

Balance of trade. We import more than we export.

Yeah, Export crappy TV...

as usual wtf, your honest opinion as you like to call it has no bearing on reality

Thanks for setting me straight again. I will call up my graduate school economics professors and tell them all they are dumb asses. I wish I could grow up and be as witty and cool as you man.

if that's what they taught u in grad school, demand ur money back

Sigh. You can include our imports of expensive foreign oil and the lower interest rates and returns in US finanancial markets as part of the trade imbalance explanation.

You should go back and bitch slap your kindergarten teacher. She should never have let you advance to the first grade.

1. Balance of trade: Otherwise known as the current account balance, the trade balance is equal to the difference between imports and exports. The US has been running a trade deficit with the rest of the world for most of recent memory. At $2 billion a day and growing, the trade deficit is making foreign investors increasingly nervous and can affect the dollar significantly.

2. Falling prices on foreign goods: When the prices of foreign goods decrease, they become more attractive to American consumers, creating a larger trade deficit. Conversely, a rise in the prices of foreign goods, through natural price inflation or because or increased demand, can make American goods look more attractive and help to narrow the trade deficit. This also supports American industry and the economy. All of this serves to help the dollar.

3 Balance of investment: When the US imports more than it exports, it means investors from other countries have to buy US assets to keep the dollar from falling. Simply stated, if the US imports more than it exports, foreign investors must buy dollar-denominated assets like bonds or treasury securities in order to offset the difference.

This are and continue to be the major forces behind the dollar valuation problems currently and for the past several years.

Class dismissed.

Except for you very cute Russian girls in the front row. See me in my office.

problem number one is that the price of foreign good are not now nor has it been rising.

secondly, the value of the dollar is only dependent on the balance of trade.

lthe reason so many economists are teachers is that there is no other real way for them to earn a living since economics and finance aren't the same thing

and finally even though ur most recent explanation is better thasn ur firs, ur first was implying that it was due to the price of oil is a fabrication since the price of oil is pegged to the dollar and not the other way around

now take ur infantile insults and stick them where the sun will never shine mr; kinder, gentler

Sorry, but I hold the opinion of graduate professors in much higher esteem than some tosser on a forum on a porn site.
Why you "experts" care at all to opine ad nauseum about such topics here, I have no idea.
Point me to a forum where you're discussing the subject with people who actually know their stuff - now that would be impressive. This, here, seems nothing more than a sad little pissing contest.

must be a graduate professor in economics

your number 3 is both simplistic and not exactly what is going on

you have also failed to take into account interest rates which currently has been in the forefront of the falling dollar

and if your argument regarding foreigners buying treasuries due to some need to prop up the dollar, why is it they are threatening, though not loudly, to pull their investments due to the low interest rates

they are currently buying US assets, such as corporations and real estate, because they are dirt cheap to them due to the currency exchange. while american real estate investors sit on the sideline because prices are too high, to foreigners they aren't since they get to play both for a hope in a rise of the asset value in the future as well as making a currency play on a future sale after a rise in the dollar.

Not to worry "Well", some of these PW creeps just have it out for you. Carry on man.

poorly stated and no place in a conv that has nothing to do with anyone being PW since it does not involve the girls in any way. it is a shame that the little CS' around here have no arguments to fall back on other than to behave like the little CS' they are

Tell it to do some pushups.. always makes me stronger

You have it backwards. Right now, the falling dollar makes the price of oil go up because oil is priced in dollars on the world market.

Think of it this way, if the dollar goes down in value and oil was $100/barel before it went down, would you still only want $100 for your barrel of oil now that that $100 is not worth as much? No, you would want more for that same barrel of oil. This, by the way, is why the fallng dollar causes inflation in the USA. (All of this gets more complicated when thinking about countries outside of the USA and what they pay for oil since the value of their currency relative to the dollar becomes a factor.)

Now, the price of oil could affect the dollar instead of the other way around if the supply of oil is reduced or the demand for oil goes up. If one or both of these two things happen, the price of oil will increase even if the value of the dollar stays the same. This price increase will cause a slowdown in the U.S. economy which could cause the government to reduce interest rates if the slowdown was dramatic enough (although for oil alone to cause this slowdown, the price would have to jump a lot). The reduction of interest rates would cause the value of the dollar to fall relative to other currencies (unless other countries reduce rates at the same time).

however, that wasn't the
answer to his question

I am not sure what you mean.

His post was as follows:

"One host asked me what was wrong with the dollar. I told her it was related to the price of oil. I am not sure if I was correct. But I feel the dollar will become stonger toward the end of the year. So please be patient."

1. He never actually asked a question.
2. His post seems to imply that the price of oil is causing the dollar to fall.
3. I responded to the implicit question about whether or not he was correct, and I answered, "No".

i stand corrected, he didn't actually ask a question

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not much to understand since the oil argument is incorrect

While I think that is much more likely that a falling dollar would cause higher oil prices than it would be for higher oil prices to cause a falling dollar, it is theoretically possible that rising oil would lead to a falling dollar. I do not think that rising oil prices all by themself would slow the economy down without a very huge increase, but higher oil do contribute to a slowing economy so theoretically the government could respond with lower interest rates which would then lead to a lower dollar. Of course, then oil would rise even more so there would be a vicious circle created.

The U.S. consumer drives 2/3 of the U.S. economy so if the consumer is spending more on gasoline, then he has less money for other items. The same negative effect results from increased shipping costs due to higher diesel fuel. If it costs more to ship something, then sooner or later it will cost more for the consumer to pay for the shipped item since the increased shipping cost is passed onto the consumer in time. The rising price of the shipped item will cause less items to be purchased and therefore slow the economy. (Remember, just about everything is shipped by truck sooner or later.) Even when the consumer turns to substitute items that cost less, the fact that more money is being allocated to oil versus other items will slow the economy. And even if prices do not rise, companies will need to save money to pay for higher fuel costs by doing things like laying off workers which means the average consumer has less money to spend so the economy will slow. Therefore, rising oll and gas prices negatively effect the U.S. economy and could cause the government to reduce interest rates.

The problem of course is that reducing interest rates will further cause an increase in oil prices since oil is priced in dollars and make the problem worse. The hope would be that the increase in economic growth that results from an interest rate decrease will more than offset the rise in oil prices. The governement hopes that any inflationary pressures will be more than offset by the increase in economic growth that the lower interest rates produce.

Anyway, this is all a big mess and probably would never happen. While I think it is theoretically possible for rising oil to cause a decrease in interest rates and therefore cause a lower dollar, I doubt that oil would cause such an occurrence all by itself. Rising oil prices are much more likely to be the result of a falling dollar than they are to be the cause of a falling dollar. And in any event, we don't live in a world where only oil prices change and nothing else does. Oil would almost definitely be one factor of many, not the sole factor that led to slower economic growth.

Okay. I just gave myself and everyone else a headache. And to be honest, now I am confusing myself. There are so many other factors at work in all of this as well. Mr. "Well" touched on some of them for example.

Will a real economist please take over? Of course, if economists really understood anything, we wouldn't have the problems we have and 1000000 different opinions about how to fix them.

one point is correct, the continued lowering of interest rates has dropped the value of the dollar which has increased the dollar price of oil

but a drop in the price of oil does not a stronger dollar make. too many other factors in the value of the dollar

what about an increase in the supply of dollars in circulation?
how much money did the fed pull out of its ass to bail out bears stearns, exactly? and how much of an influence on the value of the dollar would that have had? and, is money materialized out of the blue like that often?

thanks in advance for satisfying my curiosity.

I don't know enough about the issue you raise to give a good answer. It would seem that adding money to the system would hurt the dollar; however, I bellieve the fact that the Fed has taken strong action actually supported the dollar by giving people more confidence in the US economy. In fact, gold and commodity prices dropped sharply for a few days as a result. Nevertheless, worries about inflation and a slowing economy quickly resurfaced so the dollar declined again after rising for a few days.

Earnings for the first quarter are starting to come out this week. If they fall short of expectations, look for a drop in stock prices and the value of the dollar, and a rise in oil and commodity prices. If earnings are signifcantly worse than expected and economic growth declines more than expected, people will be lookng for a bigger interest rate cut later this month than the 1/4 -1/2% that is currently expected so this will affect the dollar negatively as well.

(By the way, theoretically, the economy could slow so much that the demand for oil would decline to the point where the price of oil would actually decline, but I don't think earnings will be so bad that this will happen. We are stuck with a weak dollar and high oil prices for a few months. After a few months, there should be some signs of relief on both counts.)

oil is actually overpriced not just because of the dollar but additionally speculators keep running the price up on the futures market

interesting that with oil over $100 gas prices haven't gone even higher

the purpose of loweing the interewst rates was to flood the market with cash to shore up liquidity and hoping the banks would loan money/ without the banks loaning money the economy isn't going anywhere

ufortuntely with the potential for more writedowns the banks are hoarding cash due to the possibility of having to boost their reserves

as for how much cash the government can print.....unlimited or so the economic theory goes, which is why government securities historically pay the lowest interest rates. theoretically the government cannot go broke..and yet would someone remind the government it is broke

I never got into the idea of how to make the dollar stronger.... Just talking about the falling dollar was difficult enough. But true, a falling price in oil would not by itself strengthen the dollar in all liklihood. Again, it is theoretically possible that a dramatic drop in prices would help the economy grow fast enough to cause the government to raise interest rates and strengthen the dollar, but this scenario seems very unlikely.

Can we talk about breasts now? :p

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY HELEN

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get giddy & go ballistic lizz.hope your special day is all you hope.

Dizz should celebrate with some nice young stud. BTW, I am available at 1-800-eat-meat.

Happy Birthday Dear. I wish you all the happiness you desire.
obnimayu ochen; krepko
Charles

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i think a little more information is necessary to be able to give useful advice. Most people would react positively and warmly to being told they are really liked and considered a friend....unless they have reasons to be cynical of the other's motivations in saying these things. Tell me why your friend might have cause for cynicism about you, and then I may be able to advise.

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Are you sure you really want him as a friend?
He sounds very needy.

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blow job?

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odd request since u both appear to be men

sounds like a guy fishing for free vids to me u can do that to show him how u feel or just tell him to bug off (i know its not a cc relationship but u can do shows on yahoo too lol)

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SURE its not lol

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did he prove to u that he is your friend?...i think not..so why does he need proof from u of being your friend. i think real friends dont need any proof of friendship and anyway u wrote here for advice so it means u really care about him...so my advice is try showing him how much u care about him say nice things to him sometimes but its imortant that its how u honestly feel and finally u both need time for friendship to grow stronger so be patient

It's curious...

I had exactly the same situation your friend is having with you.

This person, a host here on CC and other sites, made me believe she really cared about me and liked me. She asked me many times to trust her and believe her. She told me she knew it's online and it's hard to believe and trust but wanted me to try. She said so many things...

After 1 month and a half, she started to act different, talk less, almost nothing, always giving me fake excuses to explain why she changed. Told me she had a lot of problems and told me she had needed to work very much and to make money on sites so she had to talk more to members... Everyday, she gave me a different reason. And you know, when a person gives so many different reasons in so many different days... none of those reasons is true.

A little later, one night, she said she hate online because it's not real, and told me she said the things she said to me and wanted me to trust because she was stupid, I was stupid, and everything between us was stupid because she's not real, I'm not real, and it was not real.

Finally, the last things she said in her last e-mail were that I was cheating myself with her, with that online relation and with everything. Some lovely words she told me were: "For me online is my job and thats it. and i cheated myself too, chattin with u that first month. i dont want to. too many things to think bout in real life. i know ur good and kind and nice person but there s no place in our lives for each other". Lovely, isn't it?

After stopping talking anymore, I saw she only worked 1 or 2 days each week (excuse me, girl, didn't you say you needed to work so much because you really needed to make money very much???). And a few later, I found she has a boyfriend (nothing serious, she said to the guest she was talking too).

So, the conclusion is: she used me all the time, until she found someone to fuck with, and after that she didn't need me anymore and didn't care at all about me.

I can't give you any advice because only you could know how could you prove something to him. But (and I know you're not going to like what 'm going to say)... no matter what you do. Sooner or later, you'll stop caring about him and talking to him.

By the way... your name begins with "O"??? Aren't you the same person I talked about? :p

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you like him, you proved it on this forum...
Do this:
Be real, get pissed off and tell him how you feel about not trusting you.
If he cares for you he will say sorry and try to understand you, if he doesnt care for you he will be sly.

So just try to open up to each other and talk it out like normal human beings... Aint that what relationships all about? =)
-peace \\//

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me and ******. That ok?

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What if i have like... six girls?

:D

that would make u and ur 6 girls the most famous couple

mondo + freeda
imshy + morenamia
everyone elce + hand

does freeda know about that

wrong on the first 2 right on the last one..nice try tho

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er...thx i guess....kiss u too (i SO hope ur female)

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cool...who r ya?

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wow..u both must either b desperate stupid or jokin...my bet is the last one

im thinkin they just blind

jealousy is such a bad thing

r u saying that blind is worse that stupid

did i say that?

just wondering where u got the jealous thing from the previous post or is no one allowed to crack jokes but u

i thought imshy's jealousy line was a joke.maybe your vision is clouded.

hard to tell with shy since he's so sensitive

u know me so well??

just seen u in action

good for u

wish i could say it was good

yeah..keep thinkin its jealousy lol if thats what gets u thru the day

don't see hosts posting their infatuation for you here.me thinks imshy has more chance of the jealousy bit being true than you might

ast what point did hohum comeoff as jealous or is that someting u people are making up which wouldn't be unusaul

seems these ppl dont understand humour awol...glad u got it

apparently it was u who did't understand humor from the start of the exchange unless u call being a snot humor

and why do u care so much?

i don't, it's just an observation

lol :--)

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Gortensia and all blocked members

yes i like this one i vote for them too

The Beauty and The Beast (in this case the horse:D) long time ones knows who im talking about

who?

chatroom`s God and his beauty:D

davedave and chickoryblue?

dave and chickoryblue? yeah..2 people full of themselves...why not???

oh. i just thought he was the chatroom God and she is a beauty, didn't know the rest

the warrior is the god of chatroom wich it means the beauty is the most popular romanian host here, seems like they are still together- in real to

thought it was established that Bossman ran the chatroom with is able able but equally rude and abusive henchmen, davedave and INYF. i'm very confused now.........lol

plop, now YOU sound jealous lol

Bossman is godfather of chat.inyf & davedave just carry out his dirty work & protect his dimpled,white ass from the pvt bombers.chick is chick & long may she stay chic :--)

sounds like some people are talking about one group of people and others are talking about another. never heard dave referred to as the warrior or a horse

i don't think lol's post had anything to do with dave and chick

dave is not the god of chatroom and for sure chika is not the most popular romanian host here-we talk about war and his romanian gf

kind of god gets toppled by three weak sisters, i mean, a little godfather and two capos

I know. I'm equally as rude and abusive and yet he gets to be the boss. Isn't life unfair :(

unfortunate choice of names on ur part, he chose to be boss of a prison chain gang and u elected to just be unfriendly

bossman rude? maybe you should talk to him sometime,bossman is a good guy

it's joke lifted from a thread back in november thomas,must have been before ur time

nope just missed it

was a long thread that someone new around here started wondering if boss davedave and inyf ran the room and if by his name boss was in charge. it was kind of funny

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yes lets have a tribute to all her blocked members

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i know for a fact that you block members at whim.

Yes but that's because whim is near where she lives :P

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its not her rudeness, Dizz...its that they didnt get what they wanted from her cos they r rude themselves and take it out on her that way. pretty infantile but to be expected from those who have few active brain cells.

WTF and Triksy.

now there's a new one

Like Romeo and Juliet one of the most passionate and tragic romances in CC history. But alas the love that lingered like a halo was not to be. The end.

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what a terrible thing to win.

You've got to feel sorry for the peron with the shortest thread as they win 500 hours :P

if thats is the case ,im never starting a thread.

actually, asiandoll, if u had seen his pic u would know that shy has the shortest thread looool

we all know that..whats ur point?

no point, shy other than u have no point :-)

boring

hi martin

Not sure what yure agenda is about as it seem u posted 2 other similer threads. Should just come out and ask.

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I will spend 30 free minutes with each host. I will then reach my decision and announce it in a few weeks.

I will volunteer my paper towels, socks, and soap and water to clean myself up. I will also supply the lub so that I do not get sore from friction.

And remember, I must spend 30 minutes with all the hosts, even the ones I find unattractive or even disgusting so it will not be all fun.

This seems like a fair deal.

We need more martyrs like you judge lol

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We should also get a "top members" section then. The best looking one gets some free credit, the nicest one also does. The meanest members has to pay double, and the uglies member has the cam to cam option disabled.

:D

"members" like people, or do you mean "members" like a certain part of the body? :p

LMAO=))=))

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what do members get besides empty wallets?

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Empty balls :)

empty wallet,empty hands,empty balls with my empty head i now have the full set :--)

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I agree with you. At least I think I do. Once I find out what detritus means I'll let you know :P

lol very funny :D Thank you

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do what?
what catagory?
can you juggle?
light farts?
help me with my homework?
bane plays an instrument (nakedly in 121)
what can you do?

There are few straight guys who are online pretty regularly and I doubt they would be doing it for free. Ask them. I am sure the vast majority of members are men looking for women but you never know when your wife might log on looking for some action.

wow i need a wife--are you avaiable, then do couples

lol I thought you said you weren't bi :P or did you think Well was a woman ?

Hey austin, I talked with cc about that,but it seems that you need a cam (which I don't have) to make it work

well slutpuppy,,,, I cant do it anyway,, I'm afraid to show my body--(shy) but if you need a cam, I know a great deal were you can get one free.

but you said "bb,i'm hot and wet"

remember its a little harder to fake a orgasm.

It's not that hard, i've done it many times. And not just in cam, in person too.

with mayo?

Hi Vera -

The US Dollar will rise when the Federal Reserve raises US interest rates (not likely in the next year or so) or the British Central Bank or the European Central Bank cuts British or European interest rates (more likely). If there is an option to get paid in Euros, choose to do so. I am an American and I tease my Company that I want to get paid in Euros (or oil, or silver) ;)

Please stay well.

i.m.

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The European Central Bank and British bank could start cutting rates as early this summer, and almost definitely by the fall. The U.S. Federal Reserve will stop cutting rates very soon. This will help the dollar.

If you are expecting a dramatic increase in the dollar, I doubt it will happen any time soon. The U.S. economy will be slow for awhile so U.S. interest rates won't increase too quickly, and at the same time, the Europeans are much slower to decrease their rates.

But I would not expect too much change in the dollar this year. Maybe by the end of the year it could be a little higher. Perhaps 1 euro will equal around $1.50 by the end of the year. And by the end of 2009, 1 euro could be around $1.40 or so.

I would look for approximately 5% increases in the value of the dollar each year until 2011. A euro should be about $1.50 or so by year end, $1.40 or so by the end of 2009, and $1.35or a little less by the end of 2010. I expect a dramatic increase, maybe about 10% in 2011 to around $1.20 or so and a 5% increase in 2012 to about $1.15. But then the dollar will start going down all over again. However, since the world is supposed to end in 2012, I wouldn't worry about it. :p

I went to grade school with a girl whose parents once refused to buy she and her brother winter coats because their weirdo church prophesized an end to the world before that year's first snow.
God, I love religion.

But it was not until now that you realized that her father was just saving his money to use on CC. :p

not a bad estimate though 2012 could be a bit overly optimistic

For the value of the dollar or the end of the world? :p

Obviously, I am just guessing about the value of the dollar. But I base my guesses on watching a lot of business commentary and reading articles. The U.S. economy will slow for a few months and then start to rebound. The rest of the world will follow, not as much as in the past, but still is trongly linked to what happens in the U.S. Then it will take about 2 years for the subprime crisis to end and home values and consumer confidence and spending to increase to significantly higher levels..... So, I put things like that in the mix, hope there isn't something major like a terrorist attack or extreme oil shortage, and take a guess just like everybody else.

In terms of the end of the world 2012, I don't really believe that stuff, but it does get my attention when I see the state of the world and then hear that several major religions, various prophecies, the end of the mayan calendar and things like that all point to around then, and of course an album by Rush. Hope it is just a big coincidence. :p

Did you hear about that particle accelerator that's due to open in Geneva this summer?
Apparently it poses a tiny little threat of opening up a black hole that might possibly swallow up the planet.
God, I love science.

No, but perhaps we need a study on the length of "life lines" on people's palms. If they seem to be getting shorter and shorter, then we will definitely know we have a problem. :p

In terms of science, I think that as we get closer to actually cloning a human (I think that it can already be done or something recently happened in the news that says they are close), if there is a God, He will finally say "Enough!" and that's it for us.

Eve and that damn apple! Just like women take our money, they will be the ones responsible for the end! Stupid tree of knowledge! Ignorance is bliss!! I hate science!!! :p

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god sounds kinda sexist.

The sub-prime crisis will end within a year...the after affects will carry forward for some time to come. Wall Street still has some cleaning house to do but values have never been based on underlying asset strength more perceived value than anything else. As a trader we live for volatility, when volatility slows the dollar will rebound in the short term.

well at some point they may be forced to write down the asset values at least for the commercial real estate which they have not done and is potentially a larger crisis. then there is still the looming credit card crisis, but hey the banks are only carrying 942 trillion on the books there, which why they are so desperate to separate those divisions

seriously not within the next 2 years . i could explain but i couldnt be bothered

i put a dollar in the ground
by the summer i hope to have a tree and in the fall i will just rake up the dollars

I had a better idea john. 27 December, I put my mother-in-law in the ground and got £23,000! :-)))

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how could I? Effortlessly! :-)))))

damit if only i could. but i fear
that in the spring it would sprout a bushel of in-laws

u had to wait that long for 23,000, u couldn't concoct the prefect murder earlier

it will start growing as soon as ur top comes off

Old news.... it came off long time ago ;-)

damn :-(

Thank you. I will optimize my day so that when I arrive at cc: in the evening I am fresh, alert, and ready to wank.

awwwee!!!! so sweet of ya :) thank you

i love u too taffykins

Wanna go for drink?

I want.
cc me.

Who all this womens?)))))))))))))))))))

its very HARD to be so popular, sigh!!!!!

you HARD already?)))

was working on it, but kept disconnecting.
such is life here in internet.
is anything real here?

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I Love me too ;-)

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lol puppy ,but 4 women means lots of headaches

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4 mother in laws......... ouch

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do u know that cc tells us to ask hosts in free chat what we want before going in because some hosts refuse to do some things so u will know before paying.
so if free chat is used in a good way you should answer at least for 5 minutes talk

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Surely it is only polite (even of the viewer) to chat in free first and not to just jump into the video. some of the hosts here work on other sites at the same time and may already be in video ;)
Alos better for both because the host may not be there at the time so both miss the oppotunity of a nice show/chat.

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I make special sessions only to chat! I chat for hours!
As CC program doesn't include the possibility to start similar sessions. I make all the possible to tell the member that he has not to click the video button, I clarify that in my session title, I raise my video min. price to the maximum allowed price.
When I decide to make a video session, I choose my video member from my previous chatters, I make with him a nice coded private show , here the program of CC is perfect nobody can enter unless he has the cam password nothing can disturb us, no chatter can enter the free text chat. I ensure that my door is well locked!

ive a question are you the lady in profile pic or different lady in archives ?

I am different each morning..I fellow J-P Sartre philosophy .. lol

This is what I wished to know. U didn't understad my question. I aksed why don't say "Hello, i'm busy"? Too much work for it? Or you wanna be paied for one answer ? And if u r in 121 why ur room is open? Stop debate pls, it's enough.

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coz typical and why teaser was never a success.

It's funny to read the answers, specially from hosts who have 2 rooms and don't turn off the second when they are in 121, No answer then in text chat, but what would happen if u go in 121 in the opened room? Twice 121? 222? lol

happen to u or are u guessing they do that

It happened! More 121 more money.......lol

hmmmm interesting experience

i should rephrase that to just interesting coming from u

Hosts don't close their other sessions much of the time when members are in 1 to 1. This is a violation of the rules as it is unfair to members. I haven't spent $1 here in over 4 months because of issues like that. But the forums are fun sometimes.

totally agree

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lol
U can't stay away from these debats.
See u!

hey dizz seems you either have a closet fan or a deranged stalker.

Sweetie, you have a lot of friends here,beautiful girls host, guests,and members that make you feel special every day! because you are indeed open minded sweet and deserve all their esteem.

This is because YOU ARE special. (very special to some of us) xxx