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attention wal-mart shoppers--blue light special in aisle 24,, buy one box of tampons and get 2 boxes free,, and than watch all the women run to aisle 24

LOL

Ummm... it's K-Mart that has the Blue-Light Special.

It was K-Mart , I would never be caught dead (or alive) in a wal-mart...

oh yes one is so much classier then the other :D

well K-Mart went out of business , I don't go to either of them. Just know blue light special is kmart trademark...

"Attention Wal-Mart Shoppers, the only thing you can't buy here is dignity"

we dont have a K-mart here---its Wal-mart

Okay. I thought maybe you were joking. I've been in many a WM, and have never seen or heard a Blue-Light Special there. I was sure it was strickly a K-Mart promotion.

what is a wal mart and k mart

it's where you go to work when you only have an 8th grade education

I believe it is the largest retailer in the world. I've never been to one; don't plan to either. Must confess I once went to the now defunct K-Mart. Positively demoralizing; enough alienation for a lifetime.

France is in hot pursuit of this American style retailing. I believe it's equally alienating Carrefour chain is the #2 retailer in the world. Mon Dieu!

Places like these are positive proof that there is indeed hell on earth. So try to live a virtuous life or you might be condemned to spending eternity in a Wal Mart! Miserere nobis.

Just a few hours after I posted this I heard on the radio that Wal Mart is opening in China. It has apparently bought out a Chinese chain---the name of which I can't recall. So, little by little the West moves to Asian markets. Ruppert Murdoch is already there with cable television. This gives "yellow journalism" a whole new meaning!

Mine is the announcement after the guys have rushed to the dream girl: "We need a mop in aisle 4 please, a mop in aisle 4."

I love walmart. where you can get the cheapest things in the world and if you can find it cheaper somewhere else they will beat it. Go Wal-Mart.

It ain't all about the price! If you scratch just a little below the surface, you will see that while Wal Mart has brought lower prices, Wal Mart---and big box retailers in general---has contributed significantly to a lower standard of living for the average wage earner.

Be careful who you cheerlead for. You may be unwittingly cheering for those who indirectly diminish your own standard of living---just as West Virginians did when they elected George W. in the last election, the first time the State went Republican since the 1940's !!! (But, hey, W. showed up in a pickup truck, dressed in jeans and a big belt buckle. That day he was a good old boy.)

Just like doing time in prison :D

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really...i do not think so...just keep your imagination on top ;)

There is an old song from the 30's called "Prisoner of Love." :)

I think you are right. There are ups and downs, but if it's real the embers never die. They trust in their commitment to one another, knowing that the momentary lack of passion will run its course like the seasons, making its return all the more delightful! :)

do you wish to stalk her?

hm!really!what happend with Mary

she go on University

good for her!

so will never see her again?

ask Impy

who is Impy? why impy doesnt answer to us then?

she is on holiday in the south of france right now. enjoying the weather :D

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Welcome back :)

I hope you are feeling refreshed and are ready to get naughty with all your pervy members :D

welcome back lana my love.hope you had a great time and it's glad to have you back.

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Yes my prayers have been answered.

Now booking my ticket for the first show in girl girl :P

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welcome back emma!!!!!!!!! missed you!! spankkkkkkkkkk meeeeeeeeeeeeeee :-P

welcome home(with apologies to Mez)emma :--))

wb Lana!
Hope you had a relaxing and fun time! :)

welcome back Lanchik :) ..kiss u

only a crazy night dreamer?slowing down or wising up with age? oh welcome back :--))

Why not? You are paying as much as the next guy. If he wanted privacy he should have went in 1-2-1. I'm not advoacating taking over the scession, but I wouldn't just sit quitely by on the sideline...that's waht pron dvds are for. Nor would I wait or go hunting for a host already in a scession, if I stumble across it, fine.
Now let's here from the far right on how bad and cheap this practice is. They love to rant and rave on what a terrible person others are.

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are you people going to start on this crap again

what people?

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Since when has criticising someone for being ill bred and rude been the preserve of the far right. Can't a card carrying member of the liberal left call you a cheap, rude ass also?

The good ol' piggy back video. Timing is critical. Of course on rare occasions the host will neglect to tell the member to type in private so you can follow the action and enter the video at precisely the right time. In the absence of that it becomes a question of estimating the right time to enter. It is a skill. Most hosts are happy to see double the money coming in so they dont care. The only issue is if she gets contrary instructions. That can be a problem. Dont stick it there...stick it...well you get the idea.

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sure they can, I just took a page from the Grand Ole Party's playbook and try to stick it to them whenever I can. Subtle, overtly, subconsciously, whaterver it takes.

"pron dvds"??

What is that? And sorry, pal, my mom raised me to be polite. The first guy in a video always gets to take the lead. If I am a second/third viewer I will make suggestions in <private>. But if the host can't accomodate my desires without going off-script for him I always either shut up and enjoy the show or thank her and leave. I NEVER type so as to disturb the other viewer.

well, you win a gold star for politness miss manners :D

*pr0n

Actually I do that all the time; why pay for foreplay???
Its the same at bars; I don't go there until much later when the other guy has given them their daily drinks :)

"relax"
a few Duran Duran songs
several more that i try not to remember

ah come on--relax a cool song
Oh oh
wee-ell-now
Relax don't do it
When you want to come
Relax don't do it
When you want to come

Relax don't do it
When you want to suck to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come

But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention--ooh yeah
Love those dreams
Scheme those schemes
Got to hit it
Hit me with those laser beams

I'm coming
I'm coming--yeah

Relax don't do it
When you want to go to it
Relax don't do it
When you want to come

Get it up
The scene of love
Oh feel it
Relax, relax, relax, Higher, higher relax

(your right after singing this song it does bother me now,, it makes me wanna cum to fast, I mean come, heck, see its not a cool song)

I don't own it, but when/if it plays on the radio or club I will sing along..."I'm too sexy for my shirt" by Right Said Fred. I'm a big 80's music fan :D somebody shoot me.

that u kris???

Que Sera Sera haha

Y M C A

All the songs said above...yeap I am a huge fan of totally gay songs lmao. Ahh also "I will survive" the Gloria version:D

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I kind of like the Partrige Family's "I Think I Love You" but I was 12 when it came out -- if that's any excuse.

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"MARDY BUM"
haha love the lyrics

The group is the Bay City Rollers
The song I think is Saturday Night
Today I can't believe the song was once #1
and even more that it still gets played!
And why, oh why is it still in my head???
Help!!!! ;)

MY song of course,"shad uppa ya face"

someone who is smooth has a good line in chat and can talk most people into doing anything but if he's slippery he an talk his way out of difficult situations and never do what you want.

they are spelt differently

really?

But the truly amazing part is both words are pronounced "aardvark"

OK more seriously. Jiveman was correct in his description of what the words mean describing people. Describing objects it's more a textural difference. Imagine a granite floor, it's usually rough. Polish it and it becomes smooth, but may not yet be slippery. Pour some soapy water on it and it becomes slippery -- you'll have difficulty walking on it and maybe even just standing on it.

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That would depend on the degree of polishing. For flooring it's usually not polished to a mirror finish (for the very reason you mention)

It could be slippery itself, but that would depend on your shoe type. If wearing rubber soles, wouldn't be slippery, just smooth. But with the soap and water, even rubber sole would slip. So it's more the combination. The dry granite would be better classified as smooth, but when wet, slippery.

smooth as a baby's butt & slippery as an eel :--))

smooth as my favorite's host butt, slippery as her lubed up toy

As smooth as ME, as slippery as YOU. :p

Their meanings have already been described in previous posts. What was not mentioned so far is that a slippery thing does not necessarily have to be smooth. An example is that ice/snow stuff we have on our lawns here. It is not smooth ... there are many bumps and ridges in it ... but it is slippery as hell! A smooth thing does not necessarily have to be slippery, either, as was already described in the granite floor example.

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Some sad people exist in this place.

What's really sad is that some people are having some intelligent conversation, and you've nothing to add.

Perhaps it's a "weird" subject for a forum subject on a cam site, but thinking and using your head is stimulating. IMO, this thread is a hell of a lot more interesting than the typical "Has anyone seen this host? Does she get naked?"

If I recall correctly, you are no longer a member here.

I am not sure you have to be a member to make a post here.

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good posts and ur right they can always skip if they dont like. to many complainn here about peoples posts. but then again i forget sometimes about the (uzi) they have here. must force people to read the posts :D

does it matter if they are member or not? i dont think that had anything to do with if it was smooth or slippery

Should a person complain about pussy/tits postings when they dont ever go to video when its a videochat site?

Has anyone seen Asiandoll? What toys does she use? lol

and are her toys smooth, slippery, or both?

looking at her pics and profile I would say not but you won't know unless you part with some money will you

why where is she going?

she's been on forever, maybe she's taking a time -out

pie? me brain is slow today sory

welcome pie--

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happy birthday Valery and many more best wishes thru-out your life and always remember the stars always shine down upon you-okie dokie

all the best for you on this special day of yours & may this year bring your dreams closer to reality

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happy bday limpy :)

well said DM. You deserve everything you ask for Valery

Happy birthday(k)(k)(k)

Valery is PREGNANT? I'm shocked!!

really took that friends and family category to heart. Who's the father?

and dont be lier Valerie too!

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misleading phrase or silly minds not able to understand? :D

I guess with girls I know "getting bigger" means getting fat with kg or getting a bigger tummy from a baby. I don't expect girls to call each other fat here so... But getting pregnant is cool. It some somebody was having real lfe fun.

Checked you out. Not over impressed. Sorry.

hey what a surprise a rude member :D wow call the media! first of a kind has been found right here :D woppie

Hey! I am here too ! Please don't ignore me... it's a rude thing to do! LOL!

she's not the one who has to pay people so that they have a sex life.

i like ur reply :D so true

i think u look fantastic, very 'movie star'

nice haircut--looks great on you

Oi vey, my life already. Everyone's a critic. read what the lady said in her post. Good, bad or indifferent. And my post was not rude. Concise and factual, pertaining to the situation as I viewed it. A personal critique.

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I guess your momma never told you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it."

You look great and have a lot of life in your eyes. Don't worry, you'll get many viewers. However, you lost me with the cigarette photo. :(

Want to add that I LOVE the hair -- the color and the style

LOL and that is the foto i love best ;-pp different people like different things. i'm sure prettytess would not smoke if u asked her in video

all these posts made me curious and even i went to see ur hair-style. I would just say it's nothing I personally like and thought it's an idea to make some different pics with a hair band on and ur forehead seen. Think this way u will also be very pretty.

hair band? well........ i guess its cool if u like it Milena. but its not a look i care for. some wise man said different people like different things. c'est la vive, viva la difference!

It is celebrated on February 24 (in certain areas on 28), considered "the day when the birds are getting engaged". A few years ago, when we first heard about this holiday, an old lady told me, that in her youth, somewhere, in the north side of the country, the housekeepers were feeding the domestic and the wild birds with millet, barley, wheat or rye seeds. The domestic birds were not sacrificed and the wild ones were not hunted. Also, they were not even weaving, patching up and they did not work the field; instead, there was made a general cleaning of the houses, in order to bring about abundance. There was considered that those who were working on Dragobete day forgot their "language" and started to "chirp", as the birds, all their life long. The tradition says that the birds that are not accompanied on Dragobete day remain alone and they will not have any baby birds until the next year Dragobete. This faith is still among the people: the one that do not find his partner for the Dragobete day, he will either find one for the whole year.

The Dragobete is, in fact, the name of the master of love and of the good mood in our country. In the gallery of the Romanian mythical characters - unfortunately, many of them, neglected and forgotten along the time- is also included the handsome Dragobete, a creature with heroic -mythic valences. The people fantasy has imagined him as being a lad, handsome and kind-hearted young man, who inspired trust and pure love to the young fellows.

The girls and the boys "were celebrating it" piously, because it was signifying the love and the joy of youth, it was helping them to find their partner for life (the fated ones). Dressed up in holiday outfit, the boys and the girls went to the forests or on the hills, they were gathering in groups, boys and girls, according to their ages, and they were throwing parties together. The girls were picking up the flowers that have just appeared, the boys, on the other hand, were picking up fire wood in order to light the fire, gathering around it after that, talking and telling jokes with erotic real reason. About noon, the gamboling was starting: they were getting down in full speed to the village, every boy chasing his chosen one. Meaning, in fact, the public declaration of the "engagement" for the two, at least for one year. On this occasion the parents were also aware of the "choice" and, either they were satisfied or not, the public declaration of the love was respected, because it represented a sacred ritual. Quite often, such "engagements" were forwarding the real ones.

There was considered that if the Dragobete was not celebrated, the young ones could not fall in love the whole next year; moreover, it was considered a pretty bad sign if a girl or a boy did not meet at least a representative of the opposite sex.

Still the ritual brotherhood was performed, according to the sexes - the friendship pledges on life between the girls (called sisterhood) and between the boys (brotherhood). Pursuant to certain rituals, the young ones become cross brothers, (respectively, sisters). There was made a holly pledge that could not be dissolved until their death.

did you do your thesoris on this subject?

No, I cut-n-pasted it from the CFR website. I lost the magnificent translation that DevilXAngel made for me. It was priceless.

The Myth

In Romanian mythology, Baba Dochia, or The Old Dokia, is a name originating from the Byzantine calendar which celebrates the Martyr Evdokia on 1 March. The Romanian Dokia personifies mankind's impatience in waiting for the return of spring.

Baba Dochia has a son, called Dragomir or Dragobete, who is married. Dochia ill-treats her daughter-in-law by sending her to pick up berries in the forest at the end of February. God appears to the girl as an old man and helps her in her task. When Dochia sees the berries, she thinks that spring has come back and leaves for the mountains with her son and her goats. She is dressed with twelve lambskins, but it rains on the mountain and the skins get soaked and heavy. Dochia has to get rid of the skins and when frost comes she perishes from the cold with her goats. Her son freezes to death with a piece of ice in his mouth as he was playing the flute.

Dochia is sometimes depicted as a proud woman who teases the month of March, who in return gets its revenge by taking some days from February.

In other sources, Dochia was the daughter of Decebalus, King of the Dacians. When the Roman Emperor Trajan was conquering part of the Dacian territory, Dochia seeks refuge in the Carpathian Mountains in order to avoid marrying him. She disguises herself as a shepherd but she takes off her lambskin garments and freezes to death with her herd. She is transformed into a stream and her animals into flowers.

Festivities

Dragobete is known as "the day when the birds are getting engaged". This day is supposed to protect one from fever which produces shivers and illness. If the weather allows it, girls and boys are supposed to pick snowdrops or other early spring plants for someone they are courting. Dragobete is also known as being the day of lovers for Romanians.

Dragobete also meant a day of brotherhood and sisterhood; many young people in rural communities chose this day to become sworn brothers or sisters. Around this day, the birds begin to arrange their nests and mate. During the day, considered locally the first day of spring, the boys and girls pick up spring flowers and sing together. The unmelted snow still present in many villages used to be collected and the water obtained used as a magic potion by young girls during the year.

If a girl did not meet with any boy or man that day, she felt miserable as she was convinced that she would not find a boyfriend or lover along the year. This is why young people preferred to arrange small parties and to create a warm, loving atmosphere during the day.

Teenage girls in rural communities had "love contests" that day. Those who were courted by many boys were suspected to have cast a spell onto them, in order to deprive their mates of the joy of finding a lover.

Days that are set aside for Baba Dochia are March 1 (for snow), March 2 (for summer), and March 3 (for harvest).

The tradition is well kept especially in the villages of Oltenia. However, a good place to witness it is the Village Museum of Bucharest, where bands of villagers from various regions celebrate Dragobete by playing instruments, dancing and singing.

Happy "Dragobete" to all Romanian girls... !!!! :)
I hope you will all meet the nice man you deserve... :)
Bună Ziua !!!!

Thanks for the info Psy :) and also "the watcher" as well (Please note the quotation marks. I am not calling him a watcher just referring back to his posting name :P)

You have a lucky man Psy :D

Plenty of fucking in Romania tonight then (and maybe some in France) :P

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wo--happy valentines day in romanian to all your women and especially to my friends--okie dokie

Nice joke although I did think initially, that the title of the post was just a statement :D

it was

never seen this one, but she is HOT!

You take a host as a whole and rate her on a numerical scale as if she were nothing more than a piece of meat which I find both disgusting and distasteful.

It is much more respectful to rate her individual body parts such as face, tits, ass, pussy and figure :P

Having said that I don't want to be accused of changing the direction of this thread so 9.5/10.

Although 4.5 of those points can be attributed to the fact that I am old and ugly and anything female looks pretty much attractive to me :D

Very good apart from I didn't know who John howard was so I just substituted him with someone else.

I also didn't know what a cocky was but it sounded like a rude word so I was happy :)

a cocky is a person beyond that friend i'm silent.

Is the Australian Prime minister.. A cocky is either PAROTT or in this case, AN OLD FARMER

thanks dave, your songs make me moist and hard at the same time

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hahahaha funny guy:P

1. Move to adult.
2. Lose the stupid haircut
3. More light in your pics
4. More pics with imagination (assuming you have some)
5. A little more exposure in forums, community chat

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and you didn't even bother to try to give her any useful advice - at least some of bebe's was constructive

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"How can i improve and get better?"

He answered her question with his blunt opinion. If she is so thin-skinned she better not be a chathost.

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Yes, he did it rather sharply, even rudely, but he is the one person who offered advice. If you are a host you know this chat world is full of rude guys who don't even try to help. He at least offered some suggestions. I hope the ones I gave below are also something for her to think about.

It would be nice if someone wrote a Chathost Reference Manual, but it is not to be. Why doesn't someone start a monitored wikipedia page for chathosts? I wish I knew how.

I would think that even staff meetings in studios with all the hosts sharing experiences and ideas for better service would be helpful for business. But I guess jealousies would come and ruin such things.

I agree entirely with you N.C.O. He/she could have given the same advice in a much more pleasant way.

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Bebe is right that haircut is yuck! Many russian girls with this stupid haircut. Whats with it? Cleopatra? LOL. It looks so dumb!

it is not your style. get a grip man. Bebe was to rude about it
if you dont like the style then go talk to someone else
its not 100% my style either but looks cute on her

Nothing wrong with your profile, Elvira, and your pics are great.

Firstly, I think a lot of members don't even bother to look in non-adult sections so possibly try to chat in community chat for a while so that some more people see your profile.
Secondly, personally I am not sure your hair/fringe looks that great when you pull/hide your longer hair away - which you seem to do in a lot of photos.
Thirdly, if you are advertising in forums like this - it would be better to do it when you are actually online so that people could chat with you or at least see your price
But good luck here anyway

The jet-black hair is not a turn-on for many guys. It's a bit goth. Maybe you should go goth all the way and try Fetish. Fetish is not a nude section, it is simply for guys that like particular things.

I see you smoke. Sexy smoking turns some guys on for some reason. Some guys are into shoes/feet. I heard of one guy who paid to watch a girl put on fresh nail polish.

Your pics have a Fetish aura to me. Maybe you should try it.

your right old guy some guys have the strangest fetish's. hope i can find many people to pay me 5$ a min to put nail polish on :P oh i forgot i am not a host :(

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the fact that you ask for opinions is a positive.i don't think that you necessarily need to get better,maybe just known more.be patient & never forget who you are.it's fine trying to act out a members fantasy but you must always keep your personality.remember in this world not everyone is suited to everyone.just be yourself & you will find your place here.just my opinion & not sure if it's worthwhile but good luck to you.

Got to agree with Bebe that hairdoo is awful. I think there is a pretty girl hiding in there but that hairstyle is very unflattering. More light in the pics is a good idea. Keep your prices reasonable when starting out and try adult if you want to draw more men consistently.

again with price!! sad,sad,sad.

Here's some advice for a newbie...stay away frrm guys like bebe, they need to mature a little more

Honesty speaks volumes. Try it some time and stop kissing ass FFS.

stay far away from bebe and the other children. let them grow up a bit first :D

Never said you wern't honest nor was I kissing ass.
Just going by your two post in this thread I'd say you are angry about something. Have a beer and relax, life is good and so are some of the host.

Bebe, "Honesty" can also be a vehicle for venting hostility. Those who pride themselves on being "brutally honest" apparently think that the honestly of their appraisal excuses them from having to have any regard for the feelings of the other person. But this is not a referendum on your manners, but a place to offer advice to a new host.

That said, you offered her some very good advice. Your observations were insightful. There was nothing at all wrong with what you said and how you said it re: #1,3 and 5. And think just how much better all 5 suggestions would have been received had you simply said in #2, "You might consider changing your hairstyle," and eliminate the parenthetical insult in # 4. That, Bebe, was a hostile, unwarranted cheap shot and you know it.

Yes, "honesty speaks volumes," but delivering an honest answer with good will is of greater importance.

It is a stupid haircut. I hate when girls create this look thinking they will look 'beautiful' when indeed they look hideous. Different strokes for different folks, those who like it I suggest a reality check.

Comment 4 was a cheap shot, then again, if you have the immagination to style your hair in this way, you really are in trouble.

I gave good advice, albeit with a little brutal honesty but I know as well as you do, she will receive far worse in video, than a few 'over the head' comments.

even replying to Melomane you could not resist hurling another insult at her."brutal honesty"is not sugar-coating the truth but that doesn't mean you cover it with shit like you did.just because you make the assumption that she will hear worse in video doesn't justify your woman-hating vitriol.

"woman-hating vitriol" - I gather this defeats the purpose of a) being on a porn site with 100's of ladies b) giving my opinion on ONE woman, not ALL

I still gave her more help than you even cared to offer, even if it was a little too blunt.

you think you did but you have not chatted to the lady.yes woman-haters are found here because a)its hard for them to have real relations B0 because here they can try to live out their superiority complex

superiority complex, you say?

being honest doesn't mean you have to be rude,impolite or insulting.be constructive not destructive.

Prettytess, I'd offer one simple observation. Looking over your many photos, I think there are many that would better serve your purpose as the main photo. Your present photo obscures your face someone and the lighting and pose do not show you at your best. And since many guys first check out a girl's profile based on that first impression you want to choose the best one.

For my part, I think the best photos are those that show the host as friendly (without being "cute" in a saccharine way) and at the same time sexually alluring. In no particular order, I think any of the following 4 photos would serve you better: 1) 9Feb,12:47; 2)13Feb,22:02; 3) 17Feb,16:16; 4) 21Feb,19:05. Good Luck!

Photos of people with dark hair and dark backgrounds are difficult to see well in these types of photos. In addition to more light I suggest a slighty lighter background (not white).

Also fashions (and hairstyles) of European girls are QUITE different from those in the US.

I got in a lot of trouble when I made a comment to the manager of an online Russian marriage agency. I sent him a message and asked him why all the girls seemed to dress like hookers. I later realized they were merely being fashionable and trying to look nice in the photos.

that's because american girls usually have faces as fat as a fullmoon

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very funny (and true ) lol
wb alex

lol poor man.

I'm looking forward to seeing my pregnant gf again as we have been apart for over a year.

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think you missed the joke "me" :P

Yes you are right hmmmm lol

No "me" she is still pregnant and not an elephant (although she does never forget when I have done something wrong).

My best friend has been looking after her while I have been away these last 14 months even staying over at our place some nights just to make sure she is ok.

Now that's real friendship.

uummm, can I be your friend? I'll look after your girl while you are away :D

Very good Alex

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Gala you can share my umbrella anytime ;)

Oh by the way your part of the umbrella has a big hole in it :P

friend you been getting intimate with umbrellas now?can i have a lend after you have finished please?

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Well as I don't do hot kisses or romantic nights it is just as well you don't miss me :P

I believe Stratford-upon-Avon is very nice though :D

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Verb 1. lapidate - kill by throwing stones at; "Adulterers should be stoned according to the Koran"
stone
kill - cause to die; put to death, usually intentionally or knowingly; "This man killed several people when he tried to rob a bank"; "The farmer killed a pig for the holidays"
2. lapidate - throw stones at
bombard, pelt - cast, hurl, or throw repeatedly with some missile; "They pelted each other with snowballs"

don't you mean decapitate?

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well, i think that is possibly one of the most callous comments about women being murdered that i have read here!
i think you have to consider that muslim countries tend to have a lot more arranged (and forced) marriages than most other cultures and so you are possibly being forced to marry someone whom you may not even have met - and i am sure you would object to having to have sex with a stranger who you may not even like (let alone be attracted to) because otherwise you would be stoned to death.
so in answer to the original question - i think it is totally barbaric

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so you are saying muslim countries are more developed and so don't have arranged or forced marriages anymore?
i live in the uk in an area with quite a large muslim community and arranged marriages are still very common there (often to cousins who live in pakistan) and i have worked with a girl whose parents were trying to force her to marry someone she hadn't met.
although at least we don't have the stoning to death punishment over here! (yet)

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sadly too many of us men are not to be trusted at times like that (and i think that goes for men of all religions/cultures)

http://www.geocities.com/forpeoplewhothink/Topics/Honor_Killings.html

Where do you live, Angel??? There is no change in Muslim (Sharia) Law and arranged marriages are still the norm.

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Do you mean stone to death?

it is barbaric,but them most forms of legalised killing is barbaric to me.illegal killing is even worse

what would happen if the reason she didn't have sex is her husband is impotent.wonder if he would be lapidated.

Not only that, Vera, they stone them to death. Barbaric, but it is their law.

It's not actually law, but a custom. The President of Pakistan has banned these acts., but of course nothing has changed. The odd thing is, entire families can be involved. A mother would have her son kill her daughter even. Bizarre, but true.

MT, Are you sure this practice is not based on Sharia, the code of Islamic law---which is synonymous with civil law in some countries---based largely on the Koran?

I was speaking about law from a legal standpoint, not a religious one. AFAIK, honor killings are illegal in Pakistan.

BUT, in some places Sharia law (or certain persons interpretations of it) supercede anything written and civil authorities do not dare challenge it except in very rare cases of world-wide attention.

"If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."

You know what they say about those that cast the first stone..........

"But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, 'Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?' They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, 'Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?'

'No one, sir,' she said.
'Then neither do I condemn you,' Jesus declared. 'Go now and leave your life of sin.'"

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Jesus said, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

No sooner had Jesus said this when a stone struck the woman in the face and knocked her to the ground. Jesus, looking sharply at those in the crowd, said, "Mother!!!!!"

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well, she should at least have sex with her husband one time to see if he is good in bed or not. As for the killing her I'm sure there are some western laws/customs that seem pretty barbaric to them too. i.e. eating pigs or women going topless on the beach.

they may believe such things are immoral, wrong, unhealthly/unclean, disrespectful or distasteful - but surely you cannot compare them to stoning women to death??

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying I bet there are some things they find barbaric in our customs/culture (pigs and topless women is the only thing I could come up at the moment).
How can we "cast stones" at their laws/customs even if it is for casting stones. Talk about a conundrum.
And don't call me Shirley :D

if their law/custom is advocating murder for something that cannot fairly be considered a crime then i think criticising (or casting stones) at their law/custom is more than justified

If anyone believes that the Koran justifies such an action, they're mistaken.
Just as there are those who would pervert Christianity to demagogue and impose their power and will on others, so there are those who would profane Islam in the very same way.
Just be careful of who you consider "they" and who you identify as being a part of "us" is all I'm saying.

"they" are the murderers who would carry this out or support this in the "certain muslim countries" referred to in the original post.
i am fairly sure i didn't use an "us" anywhere in my posts but i would probably count "us" in this context as people who are sensible enough to oppose murder (whether they are white/black/hindu/muslim/sikh/christian/jewish or whatever)

"They" are easily identifible by the rocks and sticks and guns and bombs "they" carry. "They" are those who insist upon death for not following their customs in toto.

Also those Moslems who refuse (or are afraid) to condemn death for the rumor of talking to a man have immense culpability. Why don't they see that condemnation of such excesses would show the world that Islam is not about death and destruction? By not stepping up they are providing proof to those who hate and fear them. If Islam is allowed to be perceived as a religion that endorses, if not supports, such evil excesses.

Just as we condemn the excesses of the Inquistion - and who does not - we have the right to condemn those who burn witches, participate in pograms and commit ethnic cleansing, we have the right to condemn those who hide behind sacred writings to control and rule through fear, intimidation and outright terrorism.

I applaud your use of the 25 cents words, but your intelligence level is still lacking. Have a good day :D

If you find "truthteller's" argument lacks merit, why not respond with a civil refutation? You may discount his contribution to the discussion, but your gratuitous put down does nothing but sour the spirit of the Forum.

and do you consider abortion murder?

not if it was you,that would be a mercy killing

hahaha...klop (laughing my head off)

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On paper stonings are against the law. But as we all know the common man ignores the law and defers to cultural practise.

I recently saw a news article (sorry, I'm not going to take the time to search for it) that told of a man who killed his married sister because some texted to his mobile phone that she met some man without her husband's permission.

In the custom of some of those cultures even talking to a man can get you stoned to death. And if a woman is raped she better have three male witnesses who are willing to testify for her or she will be stoned as a whore.

These things are never spoken of in public, but they are true. In my city a Moslem man stabbed his daughter to death because she was becoming Americanized. It was recorded by a court-approved bug because they guy was being passively-monitored by the FBI as a potential terrorist. the tape was played in court and also on the news.

By Sharia Law each and every girl on this site is a whore and subject to death. Absolute and ultimate slow, painful death. No explanation. No excuse. Non-adult and adult hosts included. In fact, in certain neighborhoods a girl could have full arab dress from head to foot and if her face isn't covered she could be severely beaten with sticks and thrown into jail for showing her nose, mouth and chin.

"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

but presumably your john post above is more recent and overrides what looks very much like an old testament quote?

You assume that we all are followers of the "new testament." Not all are believing Christians. Some stop reading when Jesus hit the scene.

"'Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.'"

Unless you are a biblical scholar you shouldn't be throwing Bible quotes around. They are easily and often taken out of context by those who have not done deep study.

Hey! I resemble that remark, it's how I make my millions...lol

Indeed, but the man is never killed in Sharia, only the woman.

One of the multiple confirmations that arabian countries live in the Middle age , ruled under tiran Sheiks , Kings or Presidents, and muslim religion the most fanatic , retrogade and male religion. They can open Mezquites in western countries ( It is cultural diversity ) , you can not open any churh , no matter religion , in Saudi Arabia ( It is against the fucked faith of the Mahoma prophet ) .

You can be blocked at the border if you have anything written in your luggage that is Christian. You can have jewelry with a cross confiscated. God knows what they do to a hispanic guy whose name is Jesus.

True traveller , but do you know a thing ? i dont care if they declare me "Yihad" , 7 centuries suffering them in Spain , we defeated and expelled muslim and now our "adored" President says a crap about "The Alliance of Civilizations" . Muslim sucks

Tony, I'm not an apologist for any religion. And I can well understand your feelings about the long struggle of the Spanish people during the 'reconquista.' However, it must be said that Muslim Spain was an infinitely more tolerant world than that of Ferdinand & Isabella. In the Muslim Spain, Muslims, Christians & Jews lived and worked together. Much learning from the ancient world was preserved by the cooperative efforts of Muslim, Jewish and Christian scholars. Arab learning and scholarship was enjoying a golden age. The Islam as lived and practiced in Grenada then bears little resemblance to the extremism of a very visible minority that draws our attention today.

This enviroment of peace and tolerance, however, came to an abrupt halt with Ferdinand & Isabella who waisted no time stoking up the fires for the Inquisition.

A very nasty practice Gortensia :(

The thought is actually quite stomach churning.

As is often the case may people (especially westerns) they confuse (conflate) CULTURE with (&) RELIGION. They are NOT THE SAME even those they are intimately connected (as one cannot have one without the other). And certainly real spiritual practice (not belief) is not the same as religion. In this case, when most of you here are speaking of Islam or Muslims you are doing just that—equating religion with culture. Thinking that certain civil and cultural traditions can be equated with Islam, which is a very superficial understanding. And that all or most Muslims are Arabs or mideasterner and they are not!

This is why the word "radical" or "extremist" is usually used in describing "those people." Please note the qualifier. It's there for a reason.

And do remember that "those people" are the ones who cite the religious reasons for their actions hide behind the sacred text. "They" use IT as their justification for their acts of murder and destruction and subjugation.

When Islamic religious leaders start issuing widely circulating statements condemning the bastardization of their holy texts and when there are demonstrations in the streets of the Middle East protesting murder in the name of Allah, there will be proof of Islam as a religion of peace.

Who are "those people" ? Can you tell me? (and after you do please tell me what group you are part of-and if you can't where to you live and what do you do?).
Agreed, some groups do use religious reason justify violence to one degree or another, including some so-called "christian" groups, and nations, by the way. Do you want to talk about that? Thats not my point in any case, my point is that you NEED TO SEPARATE RELIGION FROM CULTURE(s).
Your response show you haven't even gotten the basics of what my point was & is. Most muslims do not live in the Mideast & are not Arab (absolute fact), and you have little idea what your talking about since I am sure most of your information is filtered through mainstream western new media-so you hardly know what going on. I can just as well start the same kind typification of christians as what you do.
Many religions use religious rhetoric, propaganda, and ideology to justify their action, that doesn't mean it good, or has anything to do with the esoteric meaning, practices and beliefs of that religion. Christians for one has historically been used in even more of a bastardized way than almost any religion I know of. Am I pitting Islam against Christianity? NO, and if you interpret it that way you fail to understand my point and are only furthering misunderstanding, ignorence and intolerance. Open you mind.

I defined "those people" elsewhere, which is why I kept it in quotes.

And why do you insist on the absolute separation of culture and religion? They are inextricably linked, as your culture is firmly linked with your religious heritage - as much as you wish to deny it.

I am well aware that most Muslims live outside the Middle East, but you see, I SEPARATED the religion from the culture. It's why I called for the anti-violence demonstrations to be in the Middle East where the most violent attitudes exist, not worldwide, though worldwide would be great.

Please name one prominent Christian sect that that is currently waging a terroristic war against infidels. Then note all the extremist Islamic religious figures who call for death to the infidels.

Then name one prominent cultural subgroup, other than certain sects of followers of Islam, that not only tolerates, but actively pursues honor killings in these modern times.

Your empty philosophizing has ignored the gist of the original post and a couple of the early responses. What kind of culture can condone stoning a woman based on the rumor that she was seen talking to a man she was not related to or murdering a daughter because living in the midwest and attending public high school she was becoming Americanized.

George W.Bush & the evangelical right?lol(joking?"

Nice to see that you're joking. No matter what my personal opinion of that man is, he is not quoting the Bible and the words of Jesus as justification of his most unpopular actions, he cites UN resolutions.

Whether you agree with him or not, note I am only referring to his justifications, not whether he is doing the right thing or not.

TT, The original question posed by Gortensia seems to be settled. I think there is not a member here who would defend the cruel and barbaric practice of stoning. However, a rather extended sidebar has developed pertaining more generally to cultural differences, religion & culture, intolerance, etc.

I agree the Bush Doctrine cannot be directly compared to the practices in fundamentalist Islamic countries. However, I must take issue with you as regards the role religion plays in the Bush administration. Bush knows he cannot invoke scripture without catching flak, but he did say publicly to a reporter who asked him who his favorite philosopher is, that it is "Jesus Christ." He has also been unabashed in his support for "faith based initiatives" that have been litigated by those who don't share his unspoken belief that separation of church should be abolished. He can't say that directly, of course, but he need not because his Christian Fundamentalist base of supporters (80-90 million) says it for him. Never mind that he should be vocally opposing this group as a matter of his sworn duty to uphold the Constitution that requires that separation of church and state. Never mind that if that powerful Evangelical base had its druthers, it would turn this government into a Calvinist-style theocracy. With "faith based initiatives," the camel already has its nose in the tent.

As I've already said, I'm not an apologist for any religion. Indeed history shows much blood has been spilled and continues to be spilled invoking the name of God. Only Buddhism has had no war fought in its name. Bush et al. are not as egregious in promulgating their anti-democratic doctrine. They can't be; they must be subtler. This is where the sinister art of propaganda comes in. Karl Rove and others are quite skilled in conveying an unmistakable message about Good & Evil. Bush’s language is not as medieval as the "enemy," but it is, at bottom, just as provocative and belies the claim that it is committed to peace and genuine democracy.

I wonder when in those parts of the world mans will be punished the same for the same sin....

yes that will sure happen real soon, i am so sure of that. yep sure
equal rights? never happen

I know that,unfortunately....to good....

was not laughing because i think it is actually funny
i find it quite sad actually. :( women should have the same rights as men

sometimes we do...sometimes we do not...depends of what mans want...

I have no time for any extreme religions and that's that

You're not a girl with a family or culture like that. Thank God for that. ok?

many muslims have come to britain followed by ignorant conservative mullahs who persuade rthem that they must follow such practices. personally i think those who cannot follow the customs of england should return from whence they came taking their ghastly sharia law with them. all immigration through marriage should be stopped too.

i do agree with most of what you said, people should really adopt the basic lifestyles of the country they are living in. kind of like learning the dam language of the country you will live in!
immigration because of marriage.... well for those who wish to skirt the law this way, of course, but there are a lot of people that marry for love.

hello

Howdy Doody dude!

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You can say goodbye now

Good bye Bebe, glad you are going to sleep now :D

Sleep? You got me wrong

maybe just hoping...

your right "thingy" was hoping, well more like praying :D

Pretty sad existance if all you can pray for is me to go to bed :-)

haha u that important? wow
no i do not only pray about you going to sleep
but good to see you think so high of yourself! :D

someone has to.

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the quarreling should stop soon since Bebe is going to bed :D

Bebe just woke up chick with no name :p

go bac to bed little Bebe
it is time for adults to be awake :P
chick with no name? funny :D

but not to himself.LOL!!!

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Yes - but I normally check pics when a new girl enters room. So usually know whether to ignore her anyway :)

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no shit!!! LOL

and I know which half I'd be in :(

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hell i get ignored by my own family.they had to tie a bone round my neck as a child to get the dog to play with me but after a few licks he only wanted to cock his leg :(((

Wow, Thats funny. That's exactly what I do.

how do you talk in chat if you are looking at girls pics?i usually chat first & if they seem cool then check their pics.

For a casual hello, i agree. But if there is any idea of going further I always check the profile to see if she is a body-type that is attractive to me.

all chats are casual for me.i just follow where they lead...

me too hehehe

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if you never send pvt msgs. hopw can you know you might meet some great people?

Perhaps someone told her. You must remember that strange thing called conversation.Despite what a lot of people on here the girls do talk even when they aren't being paid.

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Why free them? They should be able to shoot their way out with the uzi

one uzi will not get them all out & we can't afford to lose any of the little darling emoticons. PacMan i got the tools i just need the muscle. can you contact super mario for me.he is just the man for the job.we must release them from their illegal incaceration. "free the emoticons,free the emoticons..."

thingy you sound like crazy fool.

My kind of guy :D

i will tell you a secret friend.i was born a fool the craziness has only come with experience.imagine how cool i will be when dementia sets in but that's still 40 years away i'm hoping.so friend are you into helping with the great escape?it could be our crowning glory seeing the little animated darlings escape."free the emoticons,free the emoticons..."

Well now that I know Polina and Lena are going to be giving them a safe home not only will I help them escape but I will escape with them :D

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:(

Dangerous beasts, these new emoticons. I went into the window to see one this morning and was jumped by a bunch of them. It took ages to round the little bas***ds up and put them back.

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PW you know i have never been ok :))i am just trying to add some humor here & try to save the emoticons while i'm at it.you want to help save them.we can be like greenpeace saving the whales."free the emoticons,free the emoticons..."i can tell you want to join PW(K)

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olgaolga i was so moved by the plight of the emoticons it has made my normally unstable self finally have a crusade to focus my energies on.oh by the way missed you(K)"free the emoticons,free the emoticons..."

FB i have given your kind & generous offer much consideration & i think that with PacMan,supermario,friend & myself we have the muscle to dig them out.no need for you to get dirty but i think if you,PW & olgaolga can provide a safe haven for the little darlings when we have helped them escape it would be much appreciated.just until they are back on their feet & their new playground is ready.us guys will guard you as you tend to the little darlings & keep the emoticon haters away. i love it when a plan comes together."All we are saying is give emoticons a chance..."(with apologies to J.Lennon.)

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terminal stupidity!!

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dear olgaolga even when you are alert & awake it's unlikely you will make much sense of my"crazy fool"rantings but you understood the best part(. hope you slept well.K K)

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when does this mission start? when will the freedom fighters finally get a chance to free the emoticons??

I think I have a muppet to replace the emoticons, when we free them. No one will ever notice they have gone. :-)

I know what it's like to be caged up. I'll get some barrels to toss around and set them free.

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